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100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants

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  • MissMoneypenny
    MissMoneypenny Posts: 5,324 Forumite
    edited 29 July 2010 at 12:45PM
    wymondham wrote: »
    That's a lot of homes, before you consider whats needed by UK residents....

    I would like to see a period of say, 5 years when a visitor to this country has to wait before arriving here and being eligable for any benefits, housing etc, and this period gets continually reset if they commit any offenses. That would I suspect deter most of the people who move here purely on the grounds of benefits/housing etc. This would also not deter those who come in and support themselves from day one....

    I would add to that 5 year wait, those returning Brits who have paid their taxes to another country but want free heathcare and financial support in their old age.
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  • macaque_2
    macaque_2 Posts: 2,439 Forumite
    edited 29 July 2010 at 1:12PM
    amcluesent wrote: »
    Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants

    Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year just to provide housing for immigrants, ministers disclosed yesterday. Four out of every ten new houses or flats built to cope with the rising population will go to a migrant, they said.

    The housing projections from the Commu nities Department say that at current birth rates and expected rates of immigration, 252,000 new homes a year will be needed each year until 2031.

    That's a lot of demand. High demand = rising prices! Good luck everyone

    A high proportion of immigrants come here to do menial work in the service sector for minimum wages. As minimum wage earners, they pay little or no tax. On the other hand, the tax payer subsidies their living costs with free education for their children, free health care, subsidised housing, child allowances etc. In other words the tax payer is subsidising the service industry by underwriting the hidden costs of immigrant labour.

    What happens when the money to subsidise mass immigration runs out? That has already happened. A gaping hole has appeared in the balance sheet of UK PLC. and the goverment is reviewing a swathe of social payments. They are also looking at making companies who employ immigrant labour provide private health insurance. People should reflect on these facts before they start extrapolating immigration trends.

    In a country with 8 million people 'economically inactive', rising unemployment, stagnant incomes and rising taxes, I fail to see how a policy of high immigration can be sustained without risking severe hardship and social unrest.

    As for the 100,000 houses a year, who pays for them? How does a person on £5.85 an hour fund a £100,000 mortgage? As for highly skilled labour, the UK hardly qualifies as an attractive destination with a swathe of industry closures going on at the moment.

    As with many things, the devil lies in the detail and the bulls seem to have a remarkable ability to skate over this. Yesterday, the bulls were in a state of some exitement over the prospect of rising inflation. What they failed to spot was that the inflation relates to goods and services, not incomes. When inflation eats away at disposable income, property prices are the victim. Today the cause for excitement is immigration. Extrapolating past immigration stats is not very wise in the current climate. If they are true, we can expect higher taxes and even lower caps on housing benefit.
  • chucky
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    macaque wrote: »
    in the service sector for minimum wages. As minimum wage earners, they pay little or no tax. On the other hand, the tax payer subsidies their living costs with free education for their children, free health care, subsidised housing, child allowances etc.
    come on macaque, a bit too much generalisation - you're better than that :)
  • achtunglady
    achtunglady Posts: 1,459 Forumite
    if theres such a shortage of properties, why are there so many 1 and 2 bedroom flats and house being built?

    why is it in some 3 bedroom social housing properties, there is often one person living there and does not want to move into smaller more appropriate accomodation as they have "lived there all their life"??

    More 3 or 4 bed properties should be built to enable the overcrowded people living in 1 or 2 bedroom properties to move out, leaving the property for those who need it
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  • joolsybools
    joolsybools Posts: 1,595 Forumite
    Do I get a prize for guessing this was a Daily Mail story before I opened the thread?
  • Wheezy_2
    Wheezy_2 Posts: 1,879 Forumite
    From the Readers' comments:
    when are the ministers going to help put our own famlys in houses ..
    I know of people born and bred in England as was there parents, grandparents but can not get a home ..........
    seems to me we should all lie down and let the world walk on us ........
    I am sick of all this wish i could up sticks and take my family with me leave the immigrants to live here but with no help with benifts ,and houses see how it will work out bet they wont stay.
    we will end up worse than a third world country if its not stoped right now.help our own never mind the rest ...................
    - anita caine, london, 29/7/2010

    Anita Caine from London, what do you mean by "can not get a home"? It's quite simple really; you work, you get paid, and then either buy or rent a home.
    As for upping up sticks, I'm sure other countries are craving for your talent and skills. A career in proofreading might be something for you.
    i have been waiting years just to see immigrants get new houses ahead of me and distroy them,
    - stephen, belfast, 29/7/2010 8:12

    Dear Stephen from Belfast, what a waste of time and space you are. All those years you have been waiting to get something? Years that could have been spent improving your skills, getting an extra job, build up a deposit, get your own place... I suggest you update your CV (run it through a spellchecker though....) and get your lazy bum in gear.

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  • robin_banks
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    edited 29 July 2010 at 2:42PM
    gary2007 wrote: »
    The entire housing policy in this country is shocking. The social housing don't even do checks who goes into these houses. Some from criminal backgrounds get placed in nice new homes whilst others like those elderly, disabled or single mums that really struggle to make ends meet get put into the lowest grade council estates. It seems to be first come first served. Now the government are going to be saying lets put immigrants into brand new homes.

    Yes most immigrants do come to this country and make a living but I suspect they realize they get better 'benefits' in the UK than in their home country.
    I take the view that we shouldn't stop immigrants but we should tighten up on the benefits system.


    Many have no recourse to public funds for 4 years, that includes social housing.

    If you are reffereing to emergency/temporary accomodation there may be occasions where this is permissible, however they most certainly will not be 'brand new homes'.

    We don't seem to be building many of those atm.
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  • treliac
    treliac Posts: 4,524 Forumite
    chucky wrote: »
    the article doesn't mention income of the immigrants.

    saying that "many will be wanting social income provision" is like saying that all immigrants don't contribute very much to the UK. not exactly a correct racial stereotype.


    No it's not. It's saying that the majority are unlikely to be able to afford to buy a house.... just like the majority of those looking for 'first time' independent accommodation who have grown up here.
  • Kate78
    Kate78 Posts: 525 Forumite
    Do I get a prize for guessing this was a Daily Mail story before I opened the thread?

    *High Five* :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

    But seriously, I'm getting sleepy now...

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  • misskool
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    I don't think we will need houses being built at that rate. Tier 1 and 2 visas already have interim caps, with the full caps to follow. Announcement soon about caps on family visas; caps on tier 4 and 5 visas to follow. Fixed retirement age axed in 2011.

    When Blair moaned to Chirac about immigrants camping in Calais trying to get in to Britian, Chirac told Blair to stop doing what was making Britain so attractive to immigrants. I think this government might just do that as they will be reducing the welfare bill.

    Cameron has already said he is committed to reducing immigrant numbers back to the 90s where we had tens of thousands every year instead of the hundreds or thousands we have now. When you look at the tier 1 highly skilled migrant 'pool' he is proposing, instead of the "anyone with a masters can come in, regardless of how useless your degree is to employers" Blair brought in, Cameron seems to want to get back to moving the country in the right direction by selecting the right type of immigrant, to help make the economy grow. He is also taking big steps to increase tier 1 inverstors and tier 1 entrepreneurs to the country.

    Personally, the caps on tier 1 & 2 is going to hurt the higher education sector. It will definitely make it less competitive on the world stage. Academics do not get paid anywhere near what is required by the new rules and caps on sponsored workers means that less will apply.

    and in my very humble opinion, the caps are merely a smokescreen to cover up the net migration of EU workers. It makes nice headlines to target the ones they can control.
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