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Milk is free for all under 5's.. here all primary children also get free fruit/veg snack each day. They also have open access to water for drinking not batheing lol.
Don't hold your breath on this one, the new government are adding the free fruit for foundation/keystage 1 to their long list of possible cuts!!:hello:0 -
Don't hold your breath on this one, the new government are adding the free fruit for foundation/keystage 1 to their long list of possible cuts!!
I don't need to it has been standard here for the last 5 years or more! Our KS2's get the fruit as well.LB moment 10/06 Debt Free date 6/6/14Hope to be debt free until the day I dieMortgage-free Wannabee (05/08/30)6/6/14 £72,454.65 (5.65% int.)08/12/2023 £33602.00 (4.81% int.)0 -
I don't need to it has been standard here for the last 5 years or more! Our KS2's get the fruit as well.
Yes we have free fruit too, but what I mean is at some point in the next year they (Con/LibDems) are planning on withdrawing the funding for it - so it will no longer be free.:hello:0 -
I think you're missing the point. School trips are usually excellent value precisely because such a large group of children are going together - because they'll get a group discount. Therefore, it provides a great opportunity for someone from a poorer background to have an experience that their family might not otherwise be able to afford. Take the extreme example of a ski trip. Yes, the cost will be quite a few hundred pounds, but it would cost much much more than this for mum and dad to pay for the whole family to go on a similar trip.If the parents cared enough then they'd take their children on trips themselves wouldn't they instead of paying others to do it for them.0 -
cloudy-day wrote: »Fang you seem to live in a very black and white world.
According to you, those that haven't paid (for whatever reason - lost letter, money forgotten or poverty) are 'scum' and obviously spending the money on 'fags and cider'!
Life isn't always as simple as you choose to believe it is.
The facts of the matter are that the theatre group performed despite the four small children not having paid. Its seems petty and small minded to me not to allow them to watch, when they are too young to understand the reasons.
BTW, not everyone who can't afford the extras in life is in that position due to spending all their money on cigarettes and booze, perhaps you could climb down off your high horse and join the real world now?
Lost letter - not acceptable. It's not difficult to keep in contact with other parents and the school just to check.
Money forgotten - easily remedied. In any case who would pay on the very last day?
Poverty - let's be very clear here. This may be a reason for 0.0000001% of parents, and if so, then they can speak to the Head and ask for help. But in the vast majority of cases this comes down to people prioritizing their luxuries over their children, and to expect the better parents to then pay for everyone's children. That's unfair.
It may seem petty to you, but when a parent is loudly shouting about how they refuse to pay any extra, what should the school do? Allow everyone to think that they don't have to pay and that there are no consequences, or make a point and ensure that activities like this will continue to happen in future?0 -
I think you're missing the point. School trips are usually excellent value precisely because such a large group of children are going together - because they'll get a group discount. Therefore, it provides a great opportunity for someone from a poorer background to have an experience that their family might not otherwise be able to afford. Take the extreme example of a ski trip. Yes, the cost will be quite a few hundred pounds, but it would cost much much more than this for mum and dad to pay for the whole family to go on a similar trip.
If you're that poor, a few hundred pounds may well be far beyond your means. And for a few hundred our whole family could go on holiday.0 -
Yes we have free fruit too, but what I mean is at some point in the next year they (Con/LibDems) are planning on withdrawing the funding for it - so it will no longer be free.
It is funded by the local councils education budget so the government have no say really.. they decided it is beneficial to the childrens education.
Not that it matters as mine get more than enough fruit/veg and won't be eligible for the free milk after summer anyway so will make do with water.You must live in a pretty enlightened part of the country, does it begin with a "W"? Does everybody get free prescriptions too?
No.. and no...LB moment 10/06 Debt Free date 6/6/14Hope to be debt free until the day I dieMortgage-free Wannabee (05/08/30)6/6/14 £72,454.65 (5.65% int.)08/12/2023 £33602.00 (4.81% int.)0 -
I think you're missing the point. School trips are usually excellent value precisely because such a large group of children are going together - because they'll get a group discount. Therefore, it provides a great opportunity for someone from a poorer background to have an experience that their family might not otherwise be able to afford. Take the extreme example of a ski trip. Yes, the cost will be quite a few hundred pounds, but it would cost much much more than this for mum and dad to pay for the whole family to go on a similar trip.
That's where real life “we can’t afford it” comes into it and the distinction between "education" and "a fun jolly with free places for teachers & spouses” needs to be made.
Fun jollies are just what it says, not part of an education and schools shouldn’t be involved
Theatre trips are part of an education and should be free0 -
Lost letter - not acceptable. It's not difficult to keep in contact with other parents and the school just to check.
I have been taking my children to the same school for the last 15 years and never speak to any of the other parents.. and half the time staff are unsure what is going on.. plus in order to ask you would have to have some idea something was going on.
I check the website!
Money forgotten - easily remedied. In any case who would pay on the very last day?
me usually as the money has to be squeezed from a tight budget and anything more than a couple of quid takes serious thought.. and I have never smoked in my life and I don't drink either
Poverty - let's be very clear here. This may be a reason for 0.0000001% of parents, and if so, then they can speak to the Head and ask for help. But in the vast majority of cases this comes down to people prioritizing their luxuries over their children, and to expect the better parents to then pay for everyone's children. That's unfair.
Exactly.. most schools are very accomodating but if they don't know the issues and financial problems at home they cannot help..
It may seem petty to you, but when a parent is loudly shouting about how they refuse to pay any extra, what should the school do? Allow everyone to think that they don't have to pay and that there are no consequences, or make a point and ensure that activities like this will continue to happen in future?
It is under these circumstances with parents blatantly refusing to pay then yes the child misses out.. it is possible to be discreet and polite and manners come free..LB moment 10/06 Debt Free date 6/6/14Hope to be debt free until the day I dieMortgage-free Wannabee (05/08/30)6/6/14 £72,454.65 (5.65% int.)08/12/2023 £33602.00 (4.81% int.)0
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