kerrier council are throwing my family on the streets

Dontknowanymore

Lance wrote: »

So if someone, anyone, is suffering domestic violence they can go anywhere in the country and expect to be immediately housed? Local residents in Cornwall who have been on the council waiting list for years must stand aside for such people? She could have called the Police and had the matter dealt with resulting in him being forced to leave but instead he keeps the house / flat and she gets another where she likes! She 'played' the system and lost. Maybe she should have legally dealt with the 'issues' in Feb last year.

Yes this is true.
Although my recent experience is that councils are really trying their hardest to fobb people off, one of the ladies I was in refuge with spent 6 months in refuge then a month in a b&b before being told she would not be eligable for help, she now is back home with her husband, the council even refused to help secure private accomodation.

I had social services on my side so to speak so was instantly accepted, but I have seen lots of women having to jump through hoops to get re-housed from a refuge.

It strikes me that if you have no knowledge and they can see that, they will do anything to deceive people, and not house them.

But I suppose they only do that because there is such shortage.

Wee_Willy_Harris

TBeckett100 wrote: »

am i the only one that thinks "have kids, work hard to provide, be responsible". OP mentions she has a partner, is he working, providing etc or sat at her nans in his string vest drinking stella wondering why the world hasnt handed it on a plate.

And am I the only one that thinks "life threatened by ex partner, have to leave secure tenancy before he harms me or my children, want to live in a place he cannot easily get to, want support around me in a time of need. want to provide security for my children".... Or is that just too much for a woman to ask?

hermum

TBeckett100 wrote: »

am i the only one that thinks "have kids, work hard to provide, be responsible". OP mentions she has a partner, is he working, providing etc or sat at her nans in his string vest drinking stella wondering why the world hasnt handed it on a plate.

No, not at all, several people have talked about work & mentioned that shortage of permanent work in Cornwall.
It's probably one of the worse places to go, people have a few days there & think that if they move their life will be like a permanent holiday.
Any work there is will likely be at NMW & part time, possibly seasonal. Cornwall is still very much a not what you know but who & with no industry a lot of businesses are small family run ones who would rather take on people they've known all their lives if not related.

Dontknowanymore wrote: »

Yes this is true.
Although my recent experience is that councils are really trying their hardest to fobb people off, one of the ladies I was in refuge with spent 6 months in refuge then a month in a b&b before being told she would not be eligable for help, she now is back home with her husband, the council even refused to help secure private accomodation.

I had social services on my side so to speak so was instantly accepted, but I have seen lots of women having to jump through hoops to get re-housed from a refuge.

It strikes me that if you have no knowledge and they can see that, they will do anything to deceive people, and not house them.

But I suppose they only do that because there is such shortage.

The councils aren't there to fob off vulnerable people. When someone makes a homeless application there is an investigation into how, why etc. Everything that the council does has to conform to certain criteria, set out by the Government.
Generally people only tell as much as they want someone to know, it's up to the LA to look deeper into things.
The lady you refer to may have chosen to return, as many women do, despite the help she was offered.
The OP in this case seemed quite pleased with the LA house she had for a year or so, there was no mention of DV in her earlier posts. Until she decided that Cornwall would be the land of plenty.

hermum

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

And am I the only one that thinks "life threatened by ex partner, have to leave secure tenancy before he harms me or my children, want to live in a place he cannot easily get to, want support around me in a time of need. want to provide security for my children".... Or is that just too much for a woman to ask?

Not at all but at what time did he become violent? I see that with my earlier post you say that you had already said it all. I think that you completely misread my post or read what you wanted it to say.
Last February for the first time OP said that he was causing trouble & making things stressfull, nothing more was said on the subject until she complains that she's being turned out on the streets.
If she were fleeing for her life & safety of her children she would not be posting on an open forum in what appears to be her real name.
OOh, google my name, this forum will probably come up & you can find out where I am.
If the council believed that she had just cause to flee for her safety they would have accepted a duty to her.
There's a whole lot of difference between DV & one of your ex partners making your life stressfull.
As I said in an earlier post did he get aggressive when he discovered that his son was going to be moved part way across the country? Not that that is excusable but as they weren't living together & presumably hadn't been for some time as there was another child in the middle with another Father, she could have taken out injunctions, restraining orders etc.
Or simply got the LA where she was living to move her with police evidence of harrassment.
Not walk out on a secure tenancy.
Now that she has, maybe her & her partner will be able to work it out between them that they can both get jobs at different times of the day, so that they can afford the rent in a private let. One or the other will be available to do the school runs & look after the children.
There is always a great need for care workers in Cornwall due to an ageing population.

Dontknowanymore

hermum wrote: »

No, not at all, several people have talked about work & mentioned that shortage of permanent work in Cornwall.
It's probably one of the worse places to go, people have a few days there & think that if they move their life will be like a permanent holiday.
Any work there is will likely be at NMW & part time, possibly seasonal. Cornwall is still very much a not what you know but who & with no industry a lot of businesses are small family run ones who would rather take on people they've known all their lives if not related.



The councils aren't there to fob off vulnerable people. When someone makes a homeless application there is an investigation into how, why etc. Everything that the council does has to conform to certain criteria, set out by the Government.
Generally people only tell as much as they want someone to know, it's up to the LA to look deeper into things.
The lady you refer to may have chosen to return, as many women do, despite the help she was offered.
The OP in this case seemed quite pleased with the LA house she had for a year or so, there was no mention of DV in her earlier posts. Until she decided that Cornwall would be the land of plenty.

I'm sorry but my experience is that councils will try and fob people off, I made a homeless application once and was told by the homelessness officer that there is no way she would accept me, I left there, phoned shelter who got on the case and 2 days later I was offered temp 2 bed flat, I have also been told as have other people that if they are accepted, they would have to be put in B&B accomodation miles and miles away from the town where the application was made, yet this never happened either.
At the end of the day, and not suprisingly, they dont want to be taking on homeless cases.

I'm not trying to stick up for the OP here, I have my opinions on the situation, I do find it rather strange that after all this time the ex decides to go and make trouble when they are not even in the property, but I guess thats not really my place to judge.

TBeckett100

the OP should have alerted the police when writing the last thread on how to move to cornwall. the plan to turn up and hope has backfired.

Wee_Willy_Harris

TBeckett100 wrote: »

the OP should have alerted the police when writing the last thread on how to move to cornwall. the plan to turn up and hope has backfired.

The LA in Cornwall have, rather typically, not adhered to the legislation OR the code of guidance with regard to domestic violence. Sadly, most LAs will insist that evidence is provided by the applicant to PROVE the threat of DV. This shouldn't be an absolute requirement. Whilst previous violence, police reports, injunctions etc WILL assist in a positive decision, none are necessary and, taking the OP at face value (we have no reason to do anything else), a positive decision should have been made based on the information provided.

I would not be surprised if, with the support of an agency such as Shelter, the initial decision is overturned on review. However, the means by which the discharge of any homeless duty is achieved by the LA have already been outlined, so it may not be the outcome the OP wants anyway.

new_home_owner_3

They obvioulsy decided they fancied living by the seaside, we would all like to do this and not have to work, but sometimes you have to make changes we would all also like great schools and a great location for our kids.

There are plenty of decent areas around but the other person does not want to pay for them herself, she wants the taxpayer to pick up the bill, its been wrong for years, if people dont want to work and want to stay at home all day they should be re housed into cheaper accomodation in cheaper areas, so the taxpayer hasnt got to pay for them.

these people who live on the dole should not be able to decide where they live, they should be told where they can live on benefits and if they dont like it they should get off their fat bums and do something about it.

Wee_Willy_Harris

hermum wrote: »

The councils aren't there to fob off vulnerable people. When someone makes a homeless application there is an investigation into how, why etc. Everything that the council does has to conform to certain criteria, set out by the Government.
Generally people only tell as much as they want someone to know, it's up to the LA to look deeper into things.
The lady you refer to may have chosen to return, as many women do, despite the help she was offered.
The OP in this case seemed quite pleased with the LA house she had for a year or so, there was no mention of DV in her earlier posts. Until she decided that Cornwall would be the land of plenty.

Councils aren't there to fob off vulnerable people, I agree..... but they do.

This, from the horses mouth.

http://homeless-smoking-gun.blogspot.com/2009/04/gatekeeping.html

Wee_Willy_Harris

new_home_owner wrote: »

They obvioulsy decided they fancied living by the seaside, we would all like to do this and not have to work, but sometimes you have to make changes we would all also like great schools and a great location for our kids.

There are plenty of decent areas around but the other person does not want to pay for them herself, she wants the taxpayer to pick up the bill, its been wrong for years, if people dont want to work and want to stay at home all day they should be re housed into cheaper accomodation in cheaper areas, so the taxpayer hasnt got to pay for them.

these people who live on the dole should not be able to decide where they live, they should be told where they can live on benefits and if they dont like it they should get off their fat bums and do something about it.

I've read the OP, and previous posts on a previous thread. Both make mention of the issues with the ex and both make mention of the support available from another family member. No mention of the seaside anywhere, so how you have deduced that this is "obviously" the case, I have no idea.

I can only assume that you would have no problem if her support network happened to be in some desolate backwater oop north?