really old style living?

witchwoopiggy

on the subject of canners can you use a normal presure cooker?

[Deleted User]

no apparantly not.

I have just contacted kuhn rikon to ask if they are going to be producing a pressure canner

ChocClare

kittie wrote: »

why in heavens name can`t we get canners like this

http://www.amazon.com/Presto-23-Quart-Aluminum-Pressure-Cooker/dp/B0000BYCFU

:j I've got one of those! (You probably realised that, as I mentioned it a bit futher up the page :rotfl:)

My DH is the original supplier of Star Wars clips. For the uninitiated, these are the clips you use to attach your light sabre to your Jedi belt. Well quite. What happened was that he was selling these clips to attach mobile phones and PDAs to your belt, and they used his clips in the Star Wars films for all the Jedi Knights. Whereupon, all the aficionados of the Star Wars films *HAD* to have the genuine article. So he supplies these in quantity to light sabre manufacturers in the States (it's a different world, believe me).

So when I said I would really like a pressure canner, he very kindly sent out a load of clips to one of his customers and asked to be paid in pressure canner rather than cash. So the very nice man who makes the light sabres went to the local shops, bought me my canner, wrapped it up and sent it to me. Bless!

On a related but even weirder note, he also made a light sabre for my DS, who was about 11 at the time. It is truly a thing of great beauty, wonderfully engineered and turned. We were surprised that, although it lit up, it didn't make the noise we associated with light sabres. We questioned him about it. He said, I used to make one with sound effects, but I discovered that the majority of my customers, when they are staging fights with light sabres, like to make the noise themselves... :eek::eek::eek:

annie123

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
CC You couldn't have made that story up if you have tried!
Bartering across the pond, I love it.

If he made those clips for the original films then I bought them, and my brother still has his sabre and belt:D

ChocClare

ceridwen wrote: »

I believe it is envisaged that the fuel rationing will be per household (presumably a basic amount - to allow for the fact the central heating/fridge-freezer have to keep going anyway regardless of the number of people per household. This having a small amount added to it per extra person in the household). In the longer-term the "ration" per household would likely get reduced - and this would probably be in accordance with more "extra" people in the country. That is - the more people the country has - then the thinner the country's ration would have to spread. Everyone already here would have to take a "smaller slice of the cake" BECAUSE of the "extra" people born or let into the country. Now do people see a primary reason why I am so strongly against people having more than a replacement number of children (ie women having more than 2 children) - because child no 3, 4, etc would be those "extra" people who would be claiming part of the ration that those of us already alive have and we would dip out accordingly.

Hence - why I tend to think that there would be such huge amounts of protest by people who have 0, 1 or 2 children at being told their ration would be subsequently cut to allow for Mrs Bloggs down the road having just had a 3rd, 4th etc child - that for Mrs Bloggs' own safety (assuming she had still decided to get pregnant with child 3, etc even though she knew that would mean other people getting a lower fuel ration because of it) it would probably get turned round into "rationing by price" instead - ie so that it would be Mrs Bloggs herself who would suffer from her actions (by not being able to afford the extra costs of the "extra" child she had just had) and not other people because of her IYSWIM. The ONLY way a WW2 style rationing scheme would work was if it was in conjunction with a population policy that ensured no-one had more than 2 children (and an effective immigration policy - but I dont anticipate that one happening....darn it..).

We ARE going to enter an era very shortly where there simply is not enough fuel available in the country and one of these two actions will obviously happen (unless the miracle we are all hoping for as regards other sources of fuel supply happens). Hence I would think it will turn out to be rationing by price - a. in order to protect the Mrs Bloggs' of this world from public anger and b. because the rich will "play their usual card" (ie the one that goes "If the Government doesnt make it rationing by price then we will leave the country - and bang go the taxes we pay"). In this day and age - with greater information available - people would find out if there were a lot of Mrs Bloggs' blithely going ahead and having a large family on the one hand (and realise she was the reason their fuel ration was about to be cut) or the rich were trying to "get round" WW2 style rationing on the other hand.

<goes off thinking "Any minute now someone will probably shoot the messenger">

Do you think this is really how FUEL rationing would happen? Petrol wasn't rationed according to numbers of people in a household during the second world war after all - motorists got coupons and got extra rations if they could prove they needed their car for work or genuine need. In the last lot of petrol strikes in this country, my friend who is a district nurse was issued with some sort of ID/badge/warrant thingy so that she could jump queues at petrol stations for example.

As for household fuel, I imagine that it could well be tied in with council tax bands to arrive at your "basic" rate (yes I know I know). What I wonder though is, whether whereas if you're a single adult in one house you get a discount on your council tax, whether it might not work the other way about with fuel rationing. In which case, Mrs Bloggs with her 3 kids would be fine, but you, ceridwen (who I think have said are single), might well be penalised - if you think about it, it would make far "more sense" (I use the phrase advisedly ). So Mrs Bloggs and her husband and 3 kids in House No 1 get 100 litres of heating oil or 24KwH of electricity or however you want to look at it. So there's 5 people there who are using that fuel. Then there's you in House 2 - same sized house - same amount of fuel - but only you in it... In that case, might they not be more likely to say, ok you pay less council tax, but you only get half the fuel allowance??? :eek::eek::eek:

mardatha

Whoever thought this lot up needs his head looked and needs to wake up and enter the real world. Never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Even from politicians !

ceridwen

ChocClare wrote: »

Do you think this is really how FUEL rationing would happen? Petrol wasn't rationed according to numbers of people in a household during the second world war after all - motorists got coupons and got extra rations if they could prove they needed their car for work or genuine need. In the last lot of petrol strikes in this country, my friend who is a district nurse was issued with some sort of ID/badge/warrant thingy so that she could jump queues at petrol stations for example.

As for household fuel, I imagine that it could well be tied in with council tax bands to arrive at your "basic" rate (yes I know I know). What I wonder though is, whether whereas if you're a single adult in one house you get a discount on your council tax, whether it might not work the other way about with fuel rationing. In which case, Mrs Bloggs with her 3 kids would be fine, but you, ceridwen (who I think have said are single), might well be penalised - if you think about it, it would make far "more sense" (I use the phrase advisedly ). So Mrs Bloggs and her husband and 3 kids in House No 1 get 100 litres of heating oil or 24KwH of electricity or however you want to look at it. So there's 5 people there who are using that fuel. Then there's you in House 2 - same sized house - same amount of fuel - but only you in it... In that case, might they not be more likely to say, ok you pay less council tax, but you only get half the fuel allowance??? :eek::eek::eek:

For clarification - when I say "fuel" - I mean electric/gas/etc for the home.

I understand the point you are making - oh..that one could be so "circular" an argument it ain't true..all sorts of considerations (including the one that a single person would be MUCH more likely to deal with a contraceptive failure - as there wouldnt be an O.H. going "But...I want them...." and trying to prevent this). A subject one could talk round for hours.

The one thing I have seen regarding single people is at least one idiot (George Monbiot step forward here...) reckoning we shouldnt be allowed to live in a place thats bigger than one bedroom. My response to which would obviously be "How fast could I knock down any necessary walls to ensure that there WAS only one bedroom and one reception room - but they would just be rather big ones....."

ceridwen

mardatha wrote: »

Whoever thought this lot up needs his head looked and needs to wake up and enter the real world. Never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Even from politicians !

Exactly one of the reasons why I think what will eventually happen ITRW is "rationing by price" - rather than "rationing per se". Reason - people will protest so much at being told how much fuel they can use. Hence I think what will eventually happen is people will be made to self-monitor their fuel use by concern for their finances if they don't.

Errr...cough....now just what do you think the "real" reason is for Smart Meters?;). Hence as a childless person (who already tries not to waste fuel) I have no intention of having one unless we are literally forced to. Anyway - I don't wish the powers-that-be to have a means readily to hand of monitoring whether I am at home or halfway up the country on a protest action (just by checking out how much fuel my house is using at that moment) - "oh yes they would do that to people" (said in best Pantomime tone of voice).

mardatha

I dono what a smart meter is. But maybe they should run the country, they're bound to be better at it !

ginnyknit

Been extremely O/S this week, all bread made by Bm and then cooked in cooker - don't like the taste when its baked in Bm. S..t..r..e..t..c..hed all meals and used up all the fading odds and ends. Got a bargain on Aida and threads to keep me busy but somehow I still feel like screaming. I think the whole petrol/fuel threats are getting to me, worrying about my kids and not sleeping! But am determined to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get through it. We were going out for a picnic today but as neither of us slept more than 3 hours didn't feel upto it, so had a home picnic:rotfl:

Chocclare what a fab story - bartering is alive and well. I always wanted a light sabre but one that makes a noise ! sorry Im a sad Star Wars fan :T