Got the evidence - now what?

andyandflo

welshmoneylover wrote: »

Hmm, shame you can't forward this bit to the tribunal decision makers :T

I have already disclosed that I cycle, it is a requirement of my treatment for Diabetes.

My GP has stated that it is part of my treatment, no different than the drugs I take.

You don't honestly think that I would lie or hold back the truth?
That is illegal!

My exercise is in my time when I feel able to do it. Translated into the descriptors, could I do it repeatedly as in a work place - no, and that is what my medics have stated.

DarkFallout

andyandflo wrote: »

I have already disclosed that I cycle, it is a requirement of my treatment for Diabetes.

My GP has stated that it is part of my treatment, no different than the drugs I take.

You don't honestly think that I would lie or hold back the truth?
That is illegal!

My exercise is in my time when I feel able to do it. Translated into the descriptors, could I do it repeatedly as in a work place - no, and that is what my medics have stated.

Try to answer me one question.

What is more important - hwat your medics stated on a piece of paper or what you are doing in your every day life?

andyandflo

DarkFallout wrote: »

If I know that some of my neighbours is getting ESA for mobility issues and then see him cycling for 3 miles I would report him with some video footage of him cycling and we would see what be the legal result ...

I have explained my actions already here.

I have nothing to fear, whatever I do is backed up 100% by my medics. That is why I paid what I did to get those reports.

Quite honestly I feel sad that your life is such that you feel a need to take a camera out just on the off chance that you spot someone who you think is getting more than you.

For goodness sake get a life!!

andyandflo

DarkFallout wrote: »

Try to answer me one question.

What is more important - hwat your medics stated on a piece of paper or what you are doing in your every day life?

The question should be, what do you think the Tribunal will say with the reports in front of them - call them liars?

As I have said, everything I do is under instruction from them. They are the ones that will discredit the ATOS report!

I just get on with my life with peace of mind.

DarkFallout

andyandflo wrote: »

I have explained my actions already here.

I have nothing to fear, whatever I do is backed up 100% by my medics. That is why I paid what I did to get those reports.

You contradict what your medics wrote by cycling for 3 miles a day. It is irrelavant that it is a part of your therapy. You can throw letters and newspapers or leaflets whilst doing your 'therapy' and earn some money for that.

Obviously you don't want to do that and you are playing with the system. Even if your medical reports are 3000 pages it does not change my common sense feeling that you are doing something immoral using the usual excuse of doing the same what everyone does.

It is ridiculous to claim restricted mobility and not being able to push anything and to lift 2 pints and then to cycle for 3 miles.

If you win your tribunal, which will most probably happen, this just means that this country is morally bankrupt and going down to hell. And all the GPs, all the consultants and all the tribunals are useless and paid very well for their worthlessness.

andyandflo

sh1305 wrote: »

Do you still have the same problems because of thisillness?

Yes I do. It is a mental illness - PTSD. I still have the flashbacks, the fear, the sounds etc. Been through the system, secure units, drugs etc you name it. It started up again a few years back.

andyandflo

DarkFallout wrote: »

You contradict what your medics wrote by cycling for 3 miles a day. It is irrelavant that it is a part of your therapy. You can throw letters and newspapers or leaflets whilst doing your 'therapy' and earn some money for that.

Obviously you don't want to do that and you are playing with the system. Even if your medical reports are 3000 pages it does not change my common sense feeling that you are doing something immoral using the usual excuse of doing the same what everyone does.

It is ridiculous to claim restricted mobility and not being able to push anything and to lift 2 pints and then to cycle for 3 miles.

If you win your tribunal, which will most probably happen, this just means that this country is morally bankrupt and going down to hell. And all the GPs, all the consultants and all the tribunals are useless and paid very well for their worthlessness.

1. I have been told that I must undergo moderate exercise for a minimum of 30 mins 5 days per week.
Given my other problems, my GP suggested that cycling was the best for me as it helps to maintain the blood flow through my legs. Whether that will have any knock on effect in respect of my other problems - who knows. The alternative is to sit or lie down all day long - but indoing so, that will cause problems. Hobsons choice really.
2. Yes the system is there for everybody to use. Whether it is immoral is another thing. I certainly don't go round thinking or worrying about the state of this country. Others do that in Parliament and get paid to do so.
What are you saying - I should have a conscience in claiming for something that the law allows me to?
The law actually allows people to claim ESA, work self employed for over 30 hrs pw & claim WTC with disability uplift.
Until the law is changed everyone is entitled to use that law. If you choose not to - that's OK with me - your choice, if you think it is the right thing to do, but don't have a go at anybody else for doing it!
3. You have your opinion about doctors, but they have saved my life many times!
This is a good country that looks after the people that live here. That will never change, it is what the British are good at. Caring for others.

Indie_Kid

andyandflo wrote: »

The law actually allows people to claim ESA, work self employed for over 30 hrs pw & claim WTC with disability uplift.

It does? I thought you couldn't claim WTC and ESA at the same time?

andyandflo

sh1305 wrote: »

It does? I thought you couldn't claim WTC and ESA at the same time?

Since when?

WTC is based on two things.

1. your/partners income, hours, etc. Income assessed includes the ESA that you are paid!! ESA is a taxable income.
2. disability circumstances. This includes the length of time that you have claimed ESA and if you receive DLA - even at the lowest level possible. That is why it is called a 'doorway' benefit. It will suit everyone to claim this benefit, you may be turned down, but you keep on trying. Eventually you will win - I did - low rate for life!

You are paid ESA because you are sick and unable to work.
WTC is paid when you undergo Permitted Work - as per DWP (you must notify them of your intentions beforehand), and work for over 16 hrs pw. What you are doing is trying to get back into the working life arena - the whole reason why ESA was set up - to get people back into work.

No connection at all between them. Otherwise, what are you saying, working under the Permitted Work regulations but having to forgo WTC because of it!

Indie_Kid

You have to work under 16 hours for permitted work and over 16 hours for WTC. (well, 16+)

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/FinancialSupport/IncapacityBenefit/DG_10020667