Got the evidence - now what?

DarkFallout

andyandflo wrote: »

All three consultants state that I should not entertain any work due to the effect it may have on my body, no stress, no pushing, no lifting, no carrying. In addition my GP states that in view of the high dosage of Morphine Sulphate I take every day, I am not able to concentrate and that I am not safe to be left on my own. When the Morphine does not kill the pain, I have to go to A&E for admission and intravenous Morphine until I am stable - takes about a week. It was well worth the money to get these reports, normally they just say what is wrong with you

I have all the medical evidence backing these up and the illnesses as well. In addition I have two independent Civil Service Occupational Health Assessments dated 2009 which both state that I am not able to work and should be retired on grounds of ill health. I took that and am now a 'pensioner' at 61 ummmm!!

Just while reading your posts and considering what action you are taking against DWP it is obvious that your concentration is reasonable.

Have you ever read something written by someone who is unable to concentrate?

Regarding ESA if you can lift 2 pints of milk you capable of lifting by DWP criteria.

Pushing and carrying do not exist in ESA as descriptors.

Stress is something very subjective.

I recently read a letter from GP and consultant that the person is not capable of any work and at the same point the person had normal upper limb and mental function. The person just did not want to do any work apart from his own garden. And the GP and the consultant were obviously incompetent in their opinions.

Oldernotwiser

andyandflo wrote: »

errr yes, how else do you think I would have got the evidence I need to prove ATOS wrong?

I do claim Pension Credit as a top up on my ESA payment. Only £5.23 - but it all counts. Have been doing so since October 2009, the same date I claimed ESA - put the two claims in together.

But it's the claiming ESA I don't understand. I thought Pension Credit was more than ESA - what's the advantage of topping ESA up if you can just claim Pension Credit? (Again, I'm not being argumentative, just asking.)

andyandflo

dmg24 wrote: »

You have had considerably longer than forty days, and how does it take fourteen days to put some reports in an envelope?

I can't see any reasonable explanation for your submission taking so long. I do hope you were not rude to the person on the telephone.

No 40 days from when I found out just what they wanted.

All in all apart from the reports, there were 261 A4 sheets of history from my GP + another 946 from the hospitals going back to 1995.

It took some doing, proving that I am suffering from the illnesses, how those illnesses have affected me, how they affect my working ability and lead up evidence to establish the length of time I have suffered, how I have been treated and prognosis.

Rude?

No not rude, just forthright and not willing to accept anymore excuses!

andyandflo

sh1305 wrote: »

This is always why I send photocopies off. I need to send off some evidence to DWP (which I keep forgetting about:o) and 2 of those letters are letters from the hospital. I have the originals on my desk and I'll be sending the photocopies off to DWP.

Ummm, they asked for originals! Sick notes, letters and statements in respect of my pensions and annuities to prove income etc.

No I don't keep photocopies, I scan everything I send and everything I receive. So if I do need a copy I just print it off.

andyandflo

DarkFallout wrote: »

Just while reading your posts and considering what action you are taking against DWP it is obvious that your concentration is reasonable.

Have you ever read something written by someone who is unable to concentrate?

Regarding ESA if you can lift 2 pints of milk you capable of lifting by DWP criteria.

Pushing and carrying do not exist in ESA as descriptors.

Stress is something very subjective.

I recently read a letter from GP and consultant that the person is not capable of any work and at the same point the person had normal upper limb and mental function. The person just did not want to do any work apart from his own garden. And the GP and the consultant were obviously incompetent in their opinions.

As you say there is a difference between what my Consultants and GP say, and what I feel capable of. Yes I can concentrate, but not in a work setting. Yes I can lift a couple of pints of milk, but is that doing me any harm. The 'medics say maybe, but that does mean to say that I have to follow their reasoning. I ride a bicycle for 3 miles every day to exercise my legs due to Diabetes Type 1. Is it good for me yes, but could it endanger my life, yes. You take your choice.

NASA_2

There is not a hope in hell they will read everything you have submitted, I'd imagine they will either uphold or overturn within a short time, having never looked at the documents.

dmg24

andyandflo wrote: »

No 40 days from when I found out just what they wanted.

All in all apart from the reports, there were 261 A4 sheets of history from my GP + another 946 from the hospitals going back to 1995.

It took some doing, proving that I am suffering from the illnesses, how those illnesses have affected me, how they affect my working ability and lead up evidence to establish the length of time I have suffered, how I have been treated and prognosis.

Rude?

No not rude, just forthright and not willing to accept anymore excuses!

I am not sure what you mean by 'just what they wanted'? If you needed to know what to submit, you could have asked here and had an answer in a matter of minutes!

Why have you sent all of that information? You needed to submit reports on your current condition, not your complete medical history! You are doing yourself no favours by sending lots of irrelevant information.

sunnyone

andyandflo wrote: »

All three consultants state that I should not entertain any work due to the effect it may have on my body, no stress, no pushing, no lifting, no carrying. In addition my GP states that in view of the high dosage of Morphine Sulphate I take every day, I am not able to concentrate and that I am not safe to be left on my own. When the Morphine does not kill the pain, I have to go to A&E for admission and intravenous Morphine until I am stable - takes about a week. It was well worth the money to get these reports, normally they just say what is wrong with you

I have all the medical evidence backing these up and the illnesses as well. In addition I have two independent Civil Service Occupational Health Assessments dated 2009 which both state that I am not able to work and should be retired on grounds of ill health. I took that and am now a 'pensioner' at 61 ummmm!!

Morphine isnt the strongest pain killer (by far!) and I and many others take much stronger drugs on a daily basis, its a popular myth that morphine is the strongest pain killer in the world and some GPS perpetulate that myth to avoid providing proper pain managment and even some pain managment specialist will do the same to avoid the hassel of treating people properly.

Morphine perscription isnt proof of intolerable pain or disability.

Oldernotwiser

Could somebody please answer my question about claiming ESA versus Pension Credit as the OP doesn't seem to be going to. I'm sure that there must be a reason and I just want to know what it is.

andyandflo

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But it's the claiming ESA I don't understand. I thought Pension Credit was more than ESA - what's the advantage of topping ESA up if you can just claim Pension Credit? (Again, I'm not being argumentative, just asking.)

Ah that is a good question.

Yes you are perfectly right, and why do I put myself through all of this aggro with medicals and Tribunals for ESA?

Yes I could claim £65pw more Pension Credit and stop the ESA claim. It's either one or the other.

The answer is quite simple.

The rules on working are more generous for ESA than they are for Pension Credit.

Permitted Work rules allow you to keep more of your income than Pension Credit does.
It is worth losing the £5 I get in Pension Credit to earn within the Permitted Work rules.