i just had my pay "rise" and it was very small

i8change

Originally Posted by The_White_Horse
now i am even more adamant that the public sector scum should pay for what they have done.

Not sure what you mean, thought it was mainly the Bankers?

Originally Posted by The_White_Horse
this pay freeze for two years is a charade. most have agreed pay deals to take them past it,

With HMRC pay freeze is added on the end of the existing pay deals (so for 2011/12 and 2012/13.) Ironically, for the bottom two grades (the majority of staff) the fixed £250 payrise for all those under 21k, in the so-called pay freeze, is larger than the agreed pay rise for last year, except for those that were still due increments last year (who didn't get them but a slightly larger rise instead.)

Originally Posted by The_White_Horse
and most will get a payrise as they move up the pay scale

Cannot say for other agencies, but not last year (as mentioned above) or in the pay freeze years for HMRC (presume others are same.)

because in public sector, you get promoted on length of service rather than ability.

Not true in my experience, but I have seen plenty of useless people getting promoted into the sort of grades where their remuneration is way higher than their actual abilities should warrant, especially when compared to private industry.


Not sure if that has made you feel any better.

However, as an outsider now on the inside, I would definitely recommend small Government.

The, majority, bottom grades are comparatively cheap (especially as their small pension means no pension credit.) It's the, often, poor quality higher grades that get the huge pay and pensions, relative to their abilities and they can still "swing the lead" like the best of them!

They say they want public opinion on where the cuts should be. Bet they won't get rid of all the Equality/Diversity etc etc officers that add no value for the taxpayer.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

I just got 10%. Back to the gravy train.

Thanks for the bailout. I didnt think that banks should have been bailed out but hey I'm doing alright from it now.

:-p

I had a pay rise of 5% in April.
I've been offered 12% for a promotion but holding out for 17% before I accept.

Not rubbing peoples noses in it, but there seems to be a wide spectrum of pay rises going about.

Pitchshifter

Last pay rise I got was over 2 years ago and it was less than 1%. An absolute p*ss take. Bunch of c***s basically. Glad they made me redundant after 15 years loyal service.

adouglasmhor

tartanterra wrote: »

Pot calling kettle..........Pot calling kettle..........Can you hear me?...........:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

The difference is I am not and I can prove it.

IveSeenTheLight

Pitchshifter wrote: »

Last pay rise I got was over 2 years ago and it was less than 1%. An absolute p*ss take. Bunch of c***s basically. Glad they made me redundant after 15 years loyal service.

It used to be a case of jobs for life and loyalty between the employee and the employer.

Now there's none of that.

Companies will look after themselves and offer as little as they can get away with.
Conversely individuals need to realise their owrth and if need be and possible, offer their services elsewhere.

It's a sad reflection certainly in my industry that the best way to get market rate salary is to move.

inspector_monkfish

The_White_Horse wrote: »

now i am even more adamant that the public sector scum should pay for what they have done.

this pay freeze for two years is a charade. most have agreed pay deals to take them past it, and most will get a payrise as they move up the pay scale - because in public sector, you get promoted on length of service rather than ability.

I hate the public sector, i really do.

still, i suppose a small pay rise is better than no pay rise.

just got mine too
not bad
bonus was good too....... :T

JonnyBravo

adouglasmhor wrote: »

I don't see how it could be any more personal.
I stand for making sure the public get the best value for money they can for their rates and the support from central government.
I stand for making sure all the contractors and private companies tendering for contracts with the council are treated scrupulously fairly.
I stand for making sure the public coming into council offices are treated with respect and given the best help or information we can give.


I can see how that entitles you to call me scum. Call me it to my face an you will be getting offered a chance to back it up. I am welcome in every boxing club and dojo in the west of Scotland, your choice of venue and referees.
I am posting on my own private mobile in my lunch break (only 2 hours late and very short).

So to prove what a reasonable and level headed type chap you are, you've offered a fellow "nutter off the internet" a fight?
Yes, you seem much more sensible than the original loon.

JonnyBravo

adouglasmhor wrote: »

The difference is I am not and I can prove it.

Grrrrrr...... you big scary man......

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

there seems to be a wide spectrum of pay rises going about.

There does indeed.

No pay freezes here. I've had full raises and made full bonus every year since 2005, and again this year.

Mrs McT just got 25% with a promotion. Her pay rise alone is bigger than our mortgage.

Like it or not, far more people than many on here seem to expect are doing very well indeed from this "recession". I accept that some people aren't, and it's tragic for some of them, but it's far from universal.

iamana1ias

Andy_L wrote: »

No, annual spine point/increments will be paid

Not according to guidance from the Cabinet Office (for civil servants).