Opinion on mini roundabout crash

robbies_gal

what i said before even if its slightly over 12 o clock im sorry but you shouldnt have been signalling right-your instructor is wrong unles its a clear right turn theres no signal

that was for the third exit off not for a slightly wonky straight on exit

CHR15

Lum- Are you a newly qualified driver too??

It really isn't necessay to use an indicator every time you move the steering wheel as you have intimated. Just because the exit isn't directly in front, doesn't make it a right turn.

joanne_d_3

Oh Joy !!!!

At last , some posters who are making sense !

No right turn = NO RIGHT SIGNAL !!

The op should NOT have been indicating !

Lum ,,,, are you a new driver ?

Lum

CHR15 wrote: »

Lum- Are you a newly qualified driver too??

It really isn't necessay to use an indicator every time you move the steering wheel as you have intimated. Just because the exit isn't directly in front, doesn't make it a right turn.

That right turn is as near as damnit 90 degrees.

The straight on "exit" does not even connect to the roundabout, it connects to the right turn exit.

Now, in my memory of that roundabout, remember it's been 6 years since I drove in Liverpool on a regular basis, people taking that road would generally just treat it as if it were a straight on exit and just plough through as if the whole thing were a crossroads.

Personally I would apply the "when in Rome" rule to that roundabout, however that doesn't change the fact that the OP is technically correct to treat it as a right then left.

Here, I've drawn you a handy diagram using the satellite photo:



If anyone is truly to blame for this accident though, it is the idiot traffic engineer that designed that junction. Either remove the pointless and unnecessary build-out turning it into a real 4-way roundabout or just go the whole hog and make it into an annoying double-mini-roundabout which at least avoids the ambiguity.

Edit: As for when I passed my test, lets just say that I've had to renew my photocard once already.

joanne_d_3

Lum.......time for a refresher course perhaps ?

cyclonebri1

Looking again I don't think the giving of a right turn signal did make any difference, but the op has stated that she didn't need to give a left turn signal on exiting when clearly in traffic she did. I think the point in question is wha that signal given, the op says yes, the other party no?? Sounds like 50/50 to me

casper_g

Looking at the photo, I can't see how signalling right could be in any way ambiguous. There is no exit that is more to the right than the one the OP was taking, and the signals described -- signalling right on approach then left once past the first exit -- seems very reasonable as meaning the route shown on the plan above. Someone waiting to enter the roundabout from the south should certainly interpret a car approaching from the right, signalling right, as planning to take the second exit from the roundabout: there is no other exit to the right, unless the OP was going to double back! Looks very clear cut to me, and I really can't see how the OP was at fault at all.

cyclonebri1

casper_g wrote: »

Looking at the photo, I can't see how signalling right could be in any way ambiguous. There is no exit that is more to the right than the one the OP was taking, and the signals described -- signalling right on approach then left once past the first exit -- seems very reasonable as meaning the route shown on the plan above. Someone waiting to enter the roundabout from the south should certainly interpret a car approaching from the right, signalling right, as planning to take the second exit from the roundabout: there is no other exit to the right, unless the OP was going to double back! Looks very clear cut to me, and I really can't see how the OP was at fault at all.

Because Casper as allways we only have 1 version of events, the op's, she said she signalled left to exit, the other driver says he didn't see ant signal?????

It's even 50/50ish in the replies she's getting

robbies_gal

casper_g wrote: »

Looking at the photo, I can't see how signalling right could be in any way ambiguous. There is no exit that is more to the right than the one the OP was taking, and the signals described -- signalling right on approach then left once past the first exit -- seems very reasonable as meaning the route shown on the plan above. Someone waiting to enter the roundabout from the south should certainly interpret a car approaching from the right, signalling right, as planning to take the second exit from the roundabout: there is no other exit to the right, unless the OP was going to double back! Looks very clear cut to me, and I really can't see how the OP was at fault at all.

am i going mad or is there "another" right exit after the one the op wanted to take? so threre was somewhere else the other driver thought she was going

withabix

pug_in_a_bed wrote: »

Basically I was crossing a mini roundabout straight across it. The exit is to me beyond 12 o clock - i was taught to indicate right if the exit is beyond 12 which is what I did. Appraching the exit I then indicated left to show I would be turning off.

Having had a look at the Streetview images, you were correct in what you did, unless you were indicating left before you reached the first exit on the roundabout, which is unlikely.

The other driver is at fault in my opinion and it should be their insurance to settle.

You were turning right at the roundabout and then left into the side road which does not have a junction with the roundabout.

By the way, I agree with the other posters who state that it is compulsory to go round the painted centre of a mini roundabout UNLESS you are phyisically unable to do so. It isn't just in the Highway Code as a recommendation, it is a requirement and it is in the Regs.