Opinion on mini roundabout crash

davetrousers

People's opinions on an internet forum are irrelevant really.

Both parties submit their 'stories' to their insurers, and then the insurers decide.

cyclonebri1

LandyAndy wrote: »

I think you are both saying the same thing.

If going straight on do not signal when approaching the roundabout but do signal left when on the roundabout and your exit is the next one.

My pet hate at mini roundabouts? People who think you have to drive around the painted circle.

I'd like Roberts take on that as he doesn't seem to realise that he does have to make a turn to get off a roundabout even if going straight on.

Regarding the white lines on roundabouts. I take it you mean the continuous on used to effectively reduce the road width around the roundabout? I've wondered about this. They are obviously designed to stop people getting there knickers in a twist by overtaking at the roundabout or to dissude them from driving straight accross. Enforceable? I've no idea, but I allaways drive round them when there a copper in traffic ;);). A bit like the white chicaine line they put on the outide edge of the road at speed bumps

CHR15

My take on this.... pure specualtion of course!

The OP approaches the roundabout indicating RIGHT (but actually going straight on).
I have no idea what clown would have taught that as correct but hey ho!!

The other car approaches the roundabout, checks to his right and sees a car approaching indicating RIGHT.

Ah! he thinks, this car is turning RIGHT (a fair assumption), he thinks, I can swoop out and turn to my left (1st exit) without interferring with this car turning right around the roundabout.

He commits himself to turn left, as soon as he does so, the car he THOUGHT was turning RIGHT, actually goes straight off on the same exit as he is taking....WHAM!!!

The guy is wrong to assume, but I would have made the same assumption. I would have waited until I knew for definite the car was turning right before commiting myself.

The other driver is at fault for assuming the OP was turning the way she was indicating and pulling out without being checking.

I can certainly see tha others guys point of view...

Why don't they teach people to indicate when turning, not indicate when NOT turning like the OP has done???


I think Robert and Cyclone are talking about the same thing, no need to indicate on approach, but only indicate left once past the exit before the one being taken.

robbies_gal

i was always taught to take the mini roundabout like you would any other roundabout

the only vehicles that are allowed to cross over it or ignore it are large vehicles like buses lorries etc as they cant make the turn

robbies_gal

forgot to look at the map of your roundabout before

having looked at it i wouldnt have signalled right for that exit its only just off 12 o clock really and theres another exit to the right-which is prob where he thought u were going

having said that you still have t give way to the right which he didnt do

cyclonebri1

gabbyevs wrote: »

forgot to look at the map of your roundabout before

having looked at it i wouldnt have signalled right for that exit its only just off 12 o clock really and theres another exit to the right-which is prob where he thought u were going

having said that you still have t give way to the right which he didnt do

And I wouldn't have signalled right either which maybe puts my previous posts back into context, but I would have signalled left at the apex of the turn off, and for the life of me I cannot recall if the op did or didn't.


Having rewound, the OP is in the wrong. She signalled left when approaching the roundabout, 12 degrees off ? doesn't matter, incorrect if you are going straight on or taking an intermediate exit. In line with the other stuff I've posted.

But the other driver should not have interpreted her signals to mean he could pull out in front, school boy error, wait untill it is clear what is happening in front of you.

Now sounds much more of a 50/50, Unless the witness will lie for the op?

We will never know, and yes, it does happen.

king100

Just to put another scenerio.

At a junction to a main road, you are turning left, you see a car signalling left.

Do you pull out and hope he turns left?
Do you wait until he has turned left before you pull out?
Do you wait to see what he does?

If you pull out and he doesnt turn left and you crash into him.

Who is in the wrong?

He isnt. You are.

At a roundabout its give way to traffic from the right. Regardless of what his indicators are saying.

104


You should also

• watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe
• be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled

It was not safe to proceed therefore its not 50 - 50 the OP is in the right and and the guy who pulled out is in the wrong

cyclonebri1

king100 wrote: »

Just to put another scenerio.

At a junction to a main road, you are turning left, you see a car signalling left.

Do you pull out and hope he turns left?
Do you wait until he has turned left before you pull out?
Do you wait to see what he does?

If you pull out and he doesnt turn left and you crash into him.

Who is in the wrong?

He isnt. You are.

At a roundabout its give way to traffic from the right. Regardless of what his indicators are saying.

104



You should also

• watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe
• be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled

It was not safe to proceed therefore its not 50 - 50 the OP is in the right and and the guy who pulled out is in the wrong

You are right, as in wait and see what is happening in front of you, as I said above, but the Op is in a devil of a position trying to prove that. If I'm not mistaken the insurer would still go 55/50 even in this scenario???, as no one is asmitting liability, not that they ever should.

Insurance companies do not settle claims on the basis of who is right or wrong, simply on the conomics of prooving it either way.

pug_in_a_bed

Lots of interesting replies, thank you all

I know from the pic it doesn't look much like the exit is beyond 12, but 'in real life' its further over than it seems, not loads admittedly.

Incidentally, other driver was going straight across not turning left so he really shouldn't have gone over.

Although, yes its going to be his word against mine.

Very down about the whole thing.

I've managed to go out in the car today but felt really nervous, I know I should have got back on the horse straight away but even though it was only a little bump, really shook me up

CHR15

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Having rewound, the OP is in the wrong. She signalled left when approaching the roundabout,

Did you mean RIGHT??

pug_in_a_bed wrote: »

i was taught to indicate right if the exit is beyond 12 which is what I did.

OP, were you actually TAUGHT to do that, or is it how you interpreted what you were being taught??

This has all been thrashed out before with a general consensus on here believing it a good thing to indicate all over the place to tell people you are not going to turn.

This is a typical result of doing just that. The OP indicating right to tell people she is not turning left.

I think we all agree the other driver shouldn't have pulled out, but I for one, can see why he took the risk.

If the OP wasn't indicating at all, the other driver (I am sure) would have waited.


EDIT: Just seen Pugs reply, if the other driver was going straight over, I cannot see why he would have pulled out even if the OP was turning right