RANT; The NHS!!

redpete

Laz123 wrote: »

There's far to many managers and not enough nurses and doctors. Also the problem lies with the service being swamped by foreigners.

What would you do about the many foreigners who work as nurses and doctors in the NHS?

sillyvixen

dmg24 wrote: »

Perhaps there were more urgent cases that needed to be prioritised? Delays are unfortunate, but would you rather someone died because they did your mum's surgery instead?

If you think so little of the NHS feel free to go private.

when i had my gallbladder out- i was the patient causing the delays - i had complications and my consultant had to convert to a open procedure and faced more complications. i was in theatre 7 hours instead of the expected 1 hour. unfortunatly as a result of this not only was the patient on the list behind me sent home, but my consultant had 2 private lap cholys booked for the afternoon in the Nuffield that had to be rebooked.

unfortunatly the very nature of surgical procedures means that delays can be experienced both in the NHS and private sector, especially as many surgeons divide their time between both sectors. once a patient is on the operating table they cant just be left because the clock is ticking.

i feel sorry for the OP's Mother and hope she gets her op soon, and has a easy recovery. it must be so frustrating to have geared herself up for an op that did no go ahead.

WhiteHorse

Sandoval wrote: »

If you're struggling then don't read them.

If people can't read them then why post them?

Sandoval

WhiteHorse wrote: »

If people can't read them then why post them?

Because they can read them.

Hence why you were able to respond to the post.

Laz123

redpete wrote: »

What would you do about the many foreigners who work as nurses and doctors in the NHS?

Now you're being silly.

Foreign patients are draining the National Health Service of millions of pounds a month by failing to pay for treatment.
Figures released by the government show the huge cost of so-called NHS tourism to the health service. In an eight-month period last year, hospitals lost more than £24m in “bad debts”, most linked to patients from abroad.
According to the NHS’s counter-fraud unit, health tourism has a particularly heavy impact on maternity services, HIV care and cancer and heart units.
Thousands of foreigners who have been diagnosed in their own countries but cannot afford treatment there simply turn up at accident and emergency units in British hospitals and demand to be seen. In theory, their entitlement to care is checked using passports, utility bills and interviews, but in practice many receive treatment before this process.
Foreign patients are costing the NHS tens of millions of pounds by giving hospitals false identities and addresses, or even leaving the country in order to avoid paying for their treatment.
Senior hospital managers said overseas visitors were leaving hospitals with hefty bills by evading the system that is meant to ensure that those ineligible for free NHS care pay for treatment.
'A lot of people come to the UK and use the NHS when they aren't entitled to its services and it's hard to get the money back from them,' said a director of one of London's biggest hospital trusts. 'There are people who just turn up at A & E who could have been diagnosed in their own country with cancer or heart disease and either can't get care or the quality of care they need at home.'

gregg1

dmg24 wrote: »

Which makes your rant even more ridiculous! You know that medicine is not an exact science, what did you expect them to do - leave the earlier patient open on the table?

Rant away, but at least make it a reasoned rant.



Yep, and maybe if the OP lived in a country without the NHS she would be grateful for what we are given.



Do you think she should be prioritised over emergencies, or someone that is mid operation?

It is not GIVEN to us - we pay our taxes for it - what a ridiculous immature response from you!

jimbms

I do feel the NHS over in the UK is too money orientated, why? here is a good example. Here in the Isle of Man we have our own NHS, which actually works very well, but there are times when the NHS here pays for us to be treated in a UK hospital, one event was I needed an angiogram which is done at Liverpool, anyway I had the angiogram and all was ok with a very slight narrowing that under normal circumstances would not need an angioplast but is an option, anyway they decided I could have one as our NHS was paying for the treatment. I was told I may as well have it as I would have no chance if I was a UK resident as my case was nowhere near any urgency and would in all probability self correct within 12 months but this would sort it instantly. I told them I needed have a think about it first, so they left me in a waiting room, whilst in there some chap and his wife had the doctor come in and inform them that even though his angioplast was urgent the did not have time to do it that day, that decided it for me and I informed them that I would not have this proceedure whilst an urgent case was waiting, I then had some woman from administration come down and try to force me to have this done as not doing so would cost the UK NHS a loss of income and the urgency of UK patients was no concern of mine, end result I told her to shove it, this resulted in this man getting his done, (his wife rang and let me know and thanked me as I left my number with them), when I got back to the Island and saw my consultant at the end of the week he informed me that no way should I have been offered this as the proceedure could have caused more harm than it would have corrected in my case and he was fed up of the UK NHS doing unnecessary proceedures to gain revenue. 14 months later, been for another angiogram and all is clear.

Errata

Have you lodged a formal complaint that the UK specialist wanted to carry out an unecessary invasive procedure ? Surely this is not about money, it's about malpractice - a very serious matter.

jimbms

Errata wrote: »

Have you lodged a formal complaint that the UK specialist wanted to carry out an unecessary invasive procedure ? Surely this is not about money, it's about malpractice - a very serious matter.

Fortunately here we do not have a sue everybody for everything culture, here we tend to relax a bit and don't bother getting stressed, it is up to my consultant here if he wishes to complain as I believe he is building a case against this, I don't care, if the proceedure had been done correctly and and the condition had been as appeared then it would have been fine, but the UK NHS does tend to have a serious communication problem and it seems was not aware of all the facts so they acted on what they saw, which in the circumstances they offered a proceedure although not urgent would appear to have been useful, my point was more to the fact that as a patient being payed for by private funds they put my none urgent proceedure before another mans urgent proceedure, maybe this is just one sighn of your bankrupt economy and I am afraid it looks like there is more to come judging by the increase in offshore banking that has occured here in the last month, mind you bonus for us our surplus in the economy is growing well and unemployment is about to be around 1%.

WhiteHorse

gregg1 wrote: »

It is not GIVEN to us - we pay our taxes for it ... !

Important point.

The government goes to great lengths to create the impression that the NHS is 'free' and that we, the stupid peasants, should be grateful for their largesse.

This is why they carefully use the phrase 'free at the point of delivery'.

It's not a lie, but it's not the truth either. In reality, the whole thing is paid for out of our taxes, and our usage is paid for by our National Insurance contributions (the clue is in the word insurance).