Gatso Roadside Cameras

Wee_Willy_Harris

Paradigm wrote: »

Why would I lie? How would that benefit me in any way?

And I could say the same. But only one of us can be correct.

Paradigm

king100 wrote: »

It was six years ago.

You took the points thus you accepted the fine. You were not prosecuted, taken to court. You were fined, and said ok i will take the fine.

Strictly speaking you are right, however, not accepting the FPN would mean prosecution is almost certain to follow with all that entails re: costs, time, court, greater fines etc.

To the average guy in the street, certainly for us then, having to go to court was out of the question. As far as I'm concerned a FPN is a prosecution in all but name.

king100

liam8282 wrote: »

I am not disputing any of this.

But there is clearly a difference between manned cameras and fixed cameras.

I would be surprised if a person went to court to argue their case about breaking the speed limit, against a manned camera. If the correct discretion has been used by the operating officer, what defence could possibly be used? At the end of the day you are breaking the speed limit.

Fixed cameras has the lines and tell you the time that both pictures were taken thus very hard to dispute.

Opersting officer with speed gun is not accurate as shown in previous posts.

Wee_Willy_Harris

liam8282 wrote: »

"Answer
Speed enforcement in West Yorkshire takes place at ACPO thresholds.

West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership enforcement officers do not use hand-held devices "


ACPO clearly states that the thresholds are guidelines, which do not and cannot replace the operating officers discretion, funnily enough the point I pasted earlier.

Of the MILLIONS of FPNs and NIPs dished out each year for speeding, just find me ONE example which backs up your argument.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Paradigm wrote: »

Strictly speaking you are right, however, not accepting the FPN would mean prosecution is almost certain to follow with all that entails re: costs, time, court, greater fines etc.

To the average guy in the street, certainly for us then, having to go to court was out of the question. As far as I'm concerned a FPN is a prosecution in all but name.

I agree. As has been posted previously, prosecution is ""To follow through; to commence and continue an action or judicial proceeding to its ultimate conclusion."

Wee_Willy_Harris

liam8282 wrote: »

"Answer
Speed enforcement in West Yorkshire takes place at ACPO thresholds.

West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership enforcement officers do not use hand-held devices "


ACPO clearly states that the thresholds are guidelines, which do not and cannot replace the operating officers discretion, funnily enough the point I pasted earlier.

The reply is quite clear in refering to the threasholds stated. There is no caviat in the answer refering to them being guidlines.

Paradigm

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news/1338/labour-accused-of-using-fixedpenalty-notices-to-raise-revenue

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/DRIVER-IN-39ILLEGAL39-SPEED-CAMERA.1929570.jp

Couldn't help myself

liam8282

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Of the MILLIONS of FPNs and NIPs dished out each year for speeding, just find me ONE example which backs up your argument.

Backs up what argument?

I believed I had already demonstrated that the guidelines you posted specifically state that anything above the speed limit is down to the officers discretion (manned).

People on this thread have stated that they have known people to receive FPNs for doing 3mph over the speed limit.

What more do you need?

It will be extremely difficult to find somebody who has scanned up their FPN with all their personal details on etc. to let the world know that they were caught speeding.

liam8282

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

The reply is quite clear in refering to the threasholds stated. There is no caviat in the answer refering to them being guidlines.

You posted up the guidelines!

The link you provided to WYP states they use the thresholds provided by ACPO.

ACPO Thresholds are guidelines!

The thresholds as provided by ACPO clearly state, straight after the thresholds, as clear as can be, that they do not and cannot replace an officers discretion. End of story.

Wee_Willy_Harris

liam8282 wrote: »

Backs up what argument?

I believed I had already demonstrated that the guidelines you posted specifically state that anything above the speed limit is down to the officers discretion (manned).

People on this thread have stated that they have known people to receive FPNs for doing 3mph over the speed limit.

What more do you need?

It will be extremely difficult to find somebody who has scanned up their FPN with all their personal details on etc. to let the world know that they were caught speeding.

Oh, come on. The press would have a self righteous field day. This thread shows what an imotive subject speed cameras are.