725,000 public sector jobs face axe, economist warns

The_White_Horse

continualdiamond wrote: »

What a load of utter rubbish some of you had said.

If you do not need me, thats totally fine, take all of us teaching assistants out of my school and see how my school copes....

Oh thats right, it doesn't, it had to close for 2 days a few years ago when we all went on strike, why, because we do a pretty important and damn good job of supporting our teachers in the education of students with special needs.

So lets see in my special needs school that i work at we have 28 teaching assistants to 11 teachers, lets give them the classes on their own then and see how they cope and just let the children fail, cos after all someone said TAs should never of happened, thats okay cos autistic children just hold back everyone else if in a 'normal' class and are just a distraction. :mad:

Why aren't autistic children normal? They're different yes, just like i am from my next door neighbour for christ sake. They deserve as much attention as anyone else in order to help them achieve, what do you want society to do, just ignore them and hope they go away.

Wake up, autism is real and if people with it can cope in a mainstream setting then that is where they should be.

But you can come and have my job if you so wish, would you like a trial of a day, a week of feeding pupils pureed food, hoisting them from home chair - work chair - standing frame, putting splints on, gators on, doing physio programmes, giving medication, changing nappies, dealing with aggressive behaviour, perhaps a trip to hospital cos you've had your eat bitten appeals, having to restrain a pupil or perhaps you'd like a table thrown at you and a window smashed.

Welcome to my school, enjoy your day and enjoy your current wage of £16,000, then enjoy a nice pay cut, cos your job isn't important.

So nice to know im in a really really appreciated job......perhaps i shouldn't of bothered fund raising for my school when fellow colleagues walked 40 miles so the school had more money for the students to do activities.

when i went to school there were no teaching assistants - and the school ran fine. its just another non job created by labour. although teachers are now so bad, perhaps they do need an assistant.

Geoffo_M

The_White_Horse wrote: »

when i went to school there were no teaching assistants - and the school ran fine. its just another non job created by labour. although teachers are now so bad, perhaps they do need an assistant.

In my day too. But the kids behaved in those days. And our teachers had a fraction of the paperwork today's lot face

sammyjammy

But in those days the "special" children went to "special" schools so you didn't need teaching assistants. In my sisters school she has a number of Teaching assistants for statemented children just like the ones CD talks about, without them the place would fall apart and as the Head she knows this..

The "special" schools were mostly closed to save money but we were told it was to integrate these children into mainstream so that they would all benefit, well guess what they all lose out.

I put the word "special" in quotes as I disagree with the description but don't know what else to call it.

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

That is not fair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun

I take it back - Groundskeeper Willie is a bad influence!

Andy_L

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Rubbish - show me evidence of 1 single public sector worker on national minimum wage.
(nb - there are over 1 million private sector workers on NMW)

oops sorry Andy - just seen #153 which makes same point

TBH there are a few (definatly not "a lot") but its hidden from easy sight as they are salaried rather than hourly waged so, as they have to be paid for holiday etc, the're better of than somebody on NMW who is paid by the hour. Plus of course its the perenial problem that most of the ones who would be on NMW (cleaners, catering staff etc) have been privitised so count as private sector despite owing their job to the tax payer as much as any public sector worker

Andy_L

Norfolk_Jim wrote: »

Are they fed and housed or do they have to pay for those things themselves? Do they pay council tax? I should know the answer to this having grown up in a military family, but as a kid I took no notice of that.

They get subsidised food & accom (or free when on exercise/operations) unless they choose to "live out" in their own rented/purchased accomodation, but they do pay a "contribution in lieu of council tax" (CILOCT), the national average for the size of property.

mbga9pgf

kunekune wrote: »

"The special kid should go to special school and shouldnt burden a class full of achieving kids. "

That is offensive ...

I could have mentioned flipping burgers and licking the windows on the sunshine bus but I didnt.

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

when i went to school there were no teaching assistants - and the school ran fine. its just another non job created by labour. although teachers are now so bad, perhaps they do need an assistant.

In your day - and mine, I hasten to add - you also had the cane. That used to help concentrate children's minds a lot more. Kids can get away with having a riot these days, and there is little a teacher can do about it.

marklv

tartanterra wrote: »

What a sad and shameful statement.

I think that you will find that many in the Armed Forces volunteered to do a sometimes dangerous job.
I doubt anyone in the Armed Forces has volunteered to be killed.

Yours is a really stupid statement! So what is the army for, then? Playing? No, it's for military action, meaning killing armed enemies of the British state and accepting the risk of being killed by the latter. It's not a sometimes dangerous job, it's an always dangerous job!!

ILW

i seem to remenber that in my day, many of the teachers were ex army types who did tend to command discipline. It was a grammer school though.