ABS and Traction Control Lights

somech

me thinks theres too much reliance on diagnostics as a lot of techs read the code and think aha have to replace a part when often its only a broken wire or a corroded terminal.
i often read a code then break out the multimeter to investigate further before replacing parts as my reputation is on the line if i get it wrong.
dealers have their place as do indys the trick is knowing who is good and who is rubbish.

johnnyroper

TiTheRev wrote: »

Shows the ignorance. Pad warning wire and ABS sensor are on the same loom on most cars...

it may well be on same loom but that does not mean it uses the same cables in said loom.
so by your thinking the pad warning and abs sensor are in the same circuit????
the cars i have had or worked on have a seperate low pad warning light they do not give a ABS/Traction fault.the low pad and abs wheel speed sensors are 2 different things.

are you a technician or do you work in the parts department or something???
so i do not think it is me showing ignorance i would be more inclined to say it is you showing lack of knowledge.

TiTheRev

johnnyroper wrote: »

it may well be on same loom but that does not mean it uses the same cables in said loom.
so by your thinking the pad warning and abs sensor are in the same circuit????
the cars i have had or worked on have a seperate low pad warning light they do not give a ABS/Traction fault.the low pad and abs wheel speed sensors are 2 different things.

are you a technician or do you work in the parts department or something???
so i do not think it is me showing ignorance i would be more inclined to say it is you showing lack of knowledge.

They are part of the same LOOM, so if the loom is caught/damaged it could give an incorrect fault. I know they are seperate and would essentially give seperate fault readings for the reasons you mention, but as somech says you need to investigate properly before just replacing something...that was my point.

cyclonebri1

TiTheRev wrote: »

Dont tar us all with the same brush. We have approx 1% of customers return to our workshop due to the fault not being fixed 1st time. QUOTE]


Sorry TI, but exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who would go back to an outfit that needed multiple chances to do a fix.

Anyone with an ounce/gram of sense goes elsewhere. :mad::mad:

johnnyroper

TiTheRev wrote: »

They are part of the same LOOM, so if the loom is caught/damaged it could give an incorrect fault. I know they are seperate and would essentially give seperate fault readings for the reasons you mention, but as somech says you need to investigate properly before just replacing something...that was my point.

correct you do need to investigate,refer to my previous posts r.e not just changing components and using meter to check resistence.so no ignorance on my part then as you suggested previously

as said a decent indipendant can do the relevant diagnosis needed providing you do use a decent one.

somech

you 2 make me laugh
the dealers spend £20k on diagnostic gear but it also downloads software updates to the ecu

indys spend £2k on diagnostic gear.(mine was £400 of ebay) but it does'nt mean their gear is rubbish in many cases it can be just as effective as the dealer gear (without ecu updates)

all of this equipment is'nt worth 20pence if the techie using it is rubbish.
unfortunatly these days there are more rubbish techs coming into garages than there ever used to be maybe NVQ's are too easy. in my experience in the southwest 80% of dealers are complete rubbish (not that i mind as its more work for me:)

you need to choose a garage very carefully and its always best to go by personal recomendations rather than just choose the big flashy place.
there thats my tuppence worth

Harry_Flashman

Having worked at a prestige main dealership, I wouldn't recommend anyone to use 'em.

The mechanics were pretty crap and didn't really care about their work in the way that a man working for his own business would.

The best one I was involved with was a car that was drained of oil as part of a service, but the mechanic 'forgot' to refill it. It went out to the customer like that - cost the company thousands for a new engine.

cyclonebri1

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

Having worked at a prestige main dealership, I wouldn't recommend anyone to use 'em.

The mechanics were pretty crap and didn't really care about their work in the way that a man working for his own business would.

The best one I was involved with was a car that was drained of oil as part of a service, but the mechanic 'forgot' to refill it. It went out to the customer like that - cost the company thousands for a new engine.

:T:T:T:T:T:T

How do I thank harryflashman 20 times over???:T:T:T:T:T:T

johnnyroper

somech wrote: »

you 2 make me laugh
the dealers spend £20k on diagnostic gear but it also downloads software updates to the ecu

indys spend £2k on diagnostic gear.(mine was £400 of ebay) but it does'nt mean their gear is rubbish in many cases it can be just as effective as the dealer gear (without ecu updates)

all of this equipment is'nt worth 20pence if the techie using it is rubbish.
unfortunatly these days there are more rubbish techs coming into garages than there ever used to be maybe NVQ's are too easy. in my experience in the southwest 80% of dealers are complete rubbish (not that i mind as its more work for me:)

you need to choose a garage very carefully and its always best to go by personal recomendations rather than just choose the big flashy place.
there thats my tuppence worth

couldn't agree more that is exactly why i left the trade the useless techs earning the same as me yet anything other than a service then forget it.
NVQ are too easy to get i had to do 3 years hard graft i went to college aswell as working in the garage and attending training at peugeot's stoke heath plant.
funnily enough i moved down to somerset and now work in rail industry,where in somerset are you located??

somech

johnnyroper wrote: »

couldn't agree more that is exactly why i left the trade the useless techs earning the same as me yet anything other than a service then forget it.
NVQ are too easy to get i had to do 3 years hard graft i went to college aswell as working in the garage and attending training at peugeot's stoke heath plant.
funnily enough i moved down to somerset and now work in rail industry,where in somerset are you located??

city and guilds was hard work i was trained the hard way in a ford dealership (lots of sweeping and tea making before being let loose on customers cars) live in gbury and just opened a small garage in bwater bloody hard graft but getting there:) i would never work for anyone else again theres just too many cowboys out there:mad: