Labours legacy: 172 civil servant paid more then PM

97trophy

marklv wrote: »

These estimates have already been factored in to pay budgets on the basis that the government notionally makes pension contributions of between 17% and 23% of salary to most public servants,

Do you have any proof of that?

CLAPTON

it's a bit worrying that no civil/public servant seem to earn as much as a guy running supermarkets

it that because the civil service top jobs aren't as important as runing supermarkets or is it because the civil service doesn't pay enough to get the best people

marklv

97trophy wrote: »

If you can't see the difference between a private company using its own money to pay salaries and the Govt using taxpayers money to funding excessive salaries then there is nothing more to add.

Many of us can see the difference and we don't want the country to end up following the footsteps of Greece.

Taxpayers are precisely that: payers of tax. The tax due is therefore the property of the state, not of the tax payers, in the same way that money handed over to a company in exchange for goods and services is no longer the property of the buyer. Do you understand this simple concept or do you require further explanation?

StevieJ

97trophy wrote: »

If you can't see the difference between a private company using its own money to pay salaries and the Govt using taxpayers money to funding excessive salaries then there is nothing more to add.

Many of us can see the difference and we don't want the country to end up following the footsteps of Greece.

So you have decided that these salaries are excessive, then there is nothing more to add, as you are obviously an expert on the matter.

marklv

97trophy wrote: »

Do you have any proof of that?

http://www.civilservant.org.uk/pensions.shtml

Happy reading.

robin_banks

97trophy wrote: »

If you can't see the difference between a private company using its own money to pay salaries and the Govt using taxpayers money to funding excessive salaries then there is nothing more to add.

Many of us can see the difference and we don't want the country to end up following the footsteps of Greece.

!!!!!! do you want?, the place to be run by volunteers ?.

ILW

wymondham wrote: »

But why should you have to justify an employment package offered to you? If your employer did'nt think you were worth it they would not offer it??

The issue here is why were these people offered jobs on monopoly money....

In theory people should be paid their worth, but when you see popstars and footballers (just playing a game!) being paid more in a week than a hardworking person earns in a year, then thats your problem! These are extreme examples, but I see lots of this going on in daily life....

The difference is that popstars etc are ulimately paid by people who VOLUNTARILY buy there services (one way or another) and are free to stop paying at any time with no penalty.

Andy_L

As an aside, Only one of them (the NHS CE) would be affected by the proposed "20x lowest paid employee" cap on public sector pay. Even then he's only just affected

princeofpounds

the government notionally makes pension contributions of between 17% and 23% of salary to most public servants

You do know what the 'government contributions' are right?

IOUs.

Seriously the government contributes nothing for most central government pension schemes except a promise to underwrite the obligations. So the obligations are (some superficial employee component aside) largely unfunded by any normal commercial pension accounting. Anyone with a bit of pension accounting knowledge can see through the smokescreen. Unfortunately not many people have that.

This wouldn't matter if the people paying the tax for the pensions were the same generation as the people accumulating the benefits, but they are not, by and large.

So the older public sector workers and voters (except the councils, where contributions were ramped up much earlier in the main) essentially wrote themselves a big future paycheck which they would never have to pay.

Take away these IOUs and the total deficit is something like £1 trillion.

THAT is what is wrong.

Gorgeous_George

You may find that the PM wouldn't pass the 'sift stage' if he applied for many of the top Civil Servant's posts.

Of course, many people are overpaid. The Tories used to excuse it as they had to pay 'market rates' to avoid a 'brain drain'. Many people in the private sector are overpaid too. The answer is to reintroduce the 80% tax band.

Just because the private sector isn't funded directly from taxation, do you not see that you and I are still paying their salaries.

The employer should pick up the bill for working tax credits awarded to their full time staff.

GG