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Labours legacy: 172 civil servant paid more then PM
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dealsearcher wrote: »The salary should not be a factor.
Excuse me while I laugh myself silly................:rotfl:
Loss of personal freedom for 5 or more years, having to leave your home and live in a dingy little flat above 10 Downing Street, huge responsibility, being blamed by the press for everything and anything, etc. Erm, yeah, the salary is not relevant. Yeah, right.0 -
David Nicholson is employed by the DoH. De facto a civil servant.
and the Military people are those working in MoD posts rather than for their own service (and thus paid by of the MoD budget rather than Service budgets), other wise there'd be far more Generals/Admirals/Air Marshals in the list0 -
Not only is the current wage bill a problem but the future pension bill for Govt employees is an even greater problem made worse by people living longer.
That pension bill is going to be a huge drag on the taxpayer for decades and there is nothing future Governments can do about those contracts.
There is nothing the government can do about existing pension contracts, but they can change the terms for future employees. Yes, state pensions have to be paid for, but so do many, many other things. You are exaggerating the issue.0 -
and the Military people are those working in MoD posts rather than for their own service (and thus paid by of the MoD budget rather than Service budgets), other wise there'd be far more Generals/Admirals/Air Marshals in the list
So what? It's still money coming from the public purse.0 -
I think you need to put a bit more meat on that, what pension bill are you talking about?
The pension obligation to Government / Local Authority / public sector employees is estimated to be around £800 billion.
This £800 billion is in addition to a Treasury-estimated £245,798,700,000 to be paid in respect of the £64 billion capital cost of Labour's Private Finance Initiative.
These figures are excluded from National Debt estimates. The inevitable and unfortunate result is that many UK taxpayers continue to be blissfully unaware of the actual state of this country's public finances: they think they've read the worst and know the worst. . . But they haven't, and they don't.
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These are all very secure jobs that also come with huge pension benefits. No senior management jobs in the private sector has that kind of job security.
There was a time when lower salaries were awarded to civil servants in recognition of that job security.
This is tax-payer money and the Govt should be more careful with our money. That is not now nor will it ever be pathetic.
The country has a huge debt which is still growing. We are currently stealing from future generations - now that is pathetic.
How do you know? So how much do you think a grade 1 civil servant should be paid? £200k a year is hardly a huge amount for the level of responsibility involved. Job security has nothing to do with it - there are plenty of CEOs who regularly hop from CEO job to CEO job at £1M+ salaries. Football managers have no job security but you won't find many in the job centre!!0 -
They are not all civil servants - they include an NHS boss and an Air Chief Marshal. I wish the media wouldn't call every public sector worker a civil servant!Originally Posted by Andy L
and the Military people are those working in MoD posts rather than for their own service (and thus paid by of the MoD budget rather than Service budgets), other wise there'd be far more Generals/Admirals/Air Marshals in the list
So what? It's still money coming from the public purse.
because this is a list of Civil Servants so the press are, for once
. correct to say "Civil Service" rather than "Public Sector", although still wrong to say "Whitehall" rather than "Civil Service" 0 -
The pension obligation to Government / Local Authority / public sector employees is estimated to be around £800 billion.
This £800 billion is in addition to a Treasury-estimated £245,798,700,000 to be paid in respect of the £64 billion capital cost of Labour's Private Finance Initiative.
These figures are excluded from National Debt estimates. The inevitable and unfortunate result is that many UK taxpayers continue to be blissfully unaware of the actual state of this country's public finances: they think they've read the worst and know the worst. . . But they haven't, and they don't.
No doubt government pay freezes will effectively reduce this amount. Moreover, bolding the huge figures will not make me stand back in shock and amazement. Many companies have pension deficits of several billions - these deficits have to be managed.
I would also add that these figures are not pension deficits, they are merely actuarial estimates of moneys needed to meet pension obligations. These estimates have already been factored in to pay budgets on the basis that the government notionally makes pension contributions of between 17% and 23% of salary to most public servants, and the employees themselves make substantial contributions of their own. In addition, the government has already stated that if the actuarial costs of meeting pension obligations continues to rise, the differences will have to be met by the employees themselves.0 -
there are plenty of CEOs who regularly hop from CEO job to CEO job at £1M+ salaries. Football managers have no job security but you won't find many in the job centre!!
If you can't see the difference between a private company using its own money to pay salaries and the Govt using taxpayers money to funding excessive salaries then there is nothing more to add.
Many of us can see the difference and we don't want the country to end up following the footsteps of Greece.0 -
The pension obligation to Government / Local Authority / public sector employees is estimated to be around £800 billion.
Ah I thought he meant govt bill as in proposed legislation
I am not sure there is nothing they can do about public sector pensions after all they have already watered down the Final salary version in many cases, in addition I thought that LA pensions were funded? 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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