Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

janninew

TwittersPVFC wrote: »

I've checked 4 different random addresses in the UK, based on OFGEM's average usage figures for low users of 11,000kWh for Gas and 2100kWh for Electric. These addresses are in the Midlands, Northern, SWEB and Eastern regions. The UW figures were calculated from their website, the rest from a uSwitch comparison where users would pay on receipt of the bill.

Do UW have the lowest costs for non-internet low users? No. Do they have just about the lowest prices? Depends how you try and justify the words "just about".

My non-scientific survey revealed EDF Energy came out cheapest for 3 of the 4 locations, and Atlantic for the 4th. It revealed UW was second cheapest in one region, 4th in 2 others and 3rd in the other. It was beaten by Atlantic in 3 of the 4 locations and EDF in all four.

So therefore I'd say UW is NOT the cheapest for low users who have no internet access and is not just about the cheapest, but is one of the cheaper companies, beating 5 of the big 6. EDF Energy are the cheapest for low users, Atlantic the second cheapest, UW the third.

That is the interesting part of your research, UW can be cheaper if you are a lowish user than 5 of the "big 6." I hope this will be remembered by certain posters on here when they tell people straight away that UW is hundreds more a year, they need to ask for the person usage before misleading them as UW could clearly be a good choice for them.

janninew

Cardew wrote: »

Once again this becomes the cashcard thread and attention diverted from UW's extremely high prices.

Is that actually true though Cardew, have you now seen the research that Twitters has done that show that UW can be cheaper for some households than 5 of the big 6?

MillicentBystander

Law of averages state that for everyone with ludicrously high usage like Cardew (his gas consumption, for instance, is actually 23,700 units per annum higher than OFGEM'S average household gas consumption figure and his electricity consumption is almost twice as much as the average!) there must be at least one person with much much lower than average consumption . And for many of these users (especially those who either don't want online billing or simply can't have it) UW would normally be very competitive on price. This is not including any discount they could potentially receive by using the cash back card, of course.

Cardew

janninew wrote: »

That is the interesting part of your research, UW can be cheaper if you are a lowish user than 5 of the "big 6." I hope this will be remembered by certain posters on here when they tell people straight away that UW is hundreds more a year, they need to ask for the person usage before misleading them as UW could clearly be a good choice for them.

Have you actually checked it out? and all the exclusions and weasle words MillicentBystander/1carminestocky/Operastar/Carespress/A.N.Other uses to try to show UW in a good light?

If you have the low consumption figures of 11000kWh gas and 2,100kWh electricity in my area (Midlands) the lowest tariff is £596 paying by Direct Debit. Then come all the Big Six with UW in 24th place at £713

So UW are 19.6% more expensive.

For average consumption UW are even more expensive.

So MillicentBystander/1carminestocky/Operastar/Carespress/A.N.Other comes on an internet website and tries to make out a case for non-internet users who must have paper bills etc etc and his great claim is that UW is one of the cheapest - not the cheapest but under the special conditions he imposes they can actually beat a big 6 company.
For the average user UW are one of the most expensive gas and electricity companies in UK

That was the reason you left UW Janninew(do you remember) UW's very high gas and electricity prices

Every post you have made recently is in full support of UW, are you just sticking up for the underdog? or do you have any other motive these days? Or just for the sport;)

P.S.

Still not convinced about the multiple named troll?

MillicentBystander

This is fun.

For the low user with no 'net access, UW are one of the least expensive gas and elctricity companies in the UK.


PS Talking of weasel words, at least we've got one concession out of you - you seem to have dropped the 'just about' nonsense. Progress.

Cardew

For new readers:

For the average user UW are just about the most expensive gas and electricity company in UK

Bear in mind that there are over 30,000 UW salesmen, many come on here posing as satisfied customers. Some of the posts even stoop to posting with multiple identities.

MillicentBystander

Define 'just about' for new readers, please.

For the low user with no 'net access, UW are just about the cheapest gas and elctricity companies in the UK.


Are you going to prove this statement is incorrect? Or just continue with your worrying descent into Quentin-like paranoia?

TwittersPVFC

janninew wrote: »

That is the interesting part of your research, UW can be cheaper if you are a lowish user than 5 of the "big 6." I hope this will be remembered by certain posters on here when they tell people straight away that UW is hundreds more a year, they need to ask for the person usage before misleading them as UW could clearly be a good choice for them.

The only problem with my research is that EDF are yet to put their standard prices up so the figures are distorted. Am I also right in saying UW react to there's after all the others have changed their prices?

I do think though for non-Internet users or very heavy shoppers (£1000 a month at Sainsburys or Asda) then UW are quite competitive. However, for medium and high end users who do have high net access and don't do major amounts of shopping, UW should be avoided.

Meeper

TwittersPVFC wrote: »

I do think though for non-Internet users or very heavy shoppers (£1000 a month at Sainsburys or Asda) then UW are quite competitive.

Twitters, you are a credit to this forum for seeing past all of the nonsense and doing the proper research. As you rightly point out, it's not all about the tariff numbers on paper.

However, for medium and high end users who do have high net access and don't do major amounts of shopping, UW should be avoided.

From strictly a price point of view, I would agree for energy services. Telephony, broadband and mobile services are a different matter, but yes, I would agree with you. If however you had telephony and broadband with UW and you made £50 worth of calls per month, then it could be worth paying an extra £20 per month to have the energy services in addition so that you get free calls and save yourself the £50 in call charges.

In summary, the UW proposition cannot be looked at in isolation and needs to be considered within the grand scheme of what is offered as a package. It's Utility Warehouse Discount Club, not Utility Warehouse Gas & Electric Suppliers.

Meeper
--UW Distributor

janninew

Cardew,

Are you saying Twitters research is wrong them and they have lied about their findings?

Or can we only discuss "Mr Average" on here? Not everybody is a high user and clearly UW can be an option for some.

And no, I have no "vested" interest in UW what so ever.