Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

Thrugelmir

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

The effect won't be uniform and nationwide. But in the midlands and the north, its death. The Tories need to be worried about what happens to them by sitting with the yellow pox. We already have loud rumblings from the right about the concessions raped out of Cameron. The sight of pro-Europeans in a Tory government will detatch many of their right wing and send them off to UKIP.

The past few weeks have shown the fraility of monetary union of diverse economies within Europe. No one considered the events as have occured in Greece when driving forward policy. The Irish appear unhappy at bailing out the Greeks. There are serious cracks in the idea of a single currency. The odds must be on a country leaving the Euro within the next 2 years.

marklv

PrivatisetheNHSnow wrote: »

why don't these self-pitying lib dems form a new party?

how about the 'i was bullied at school' party :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Is there not still a party that calls itself the 'Liberal' party? Or was it wound up as a result of pathetic electoral support?

marklv

ninky wrote: »

anyone seen this? a shot of the negotiating list clegg was working to. no mention of tax reforms or protecting public services. plenty of mention of jobs for the boys. topping the list the words "role" and "me". deputy prime minister for only 22 percent of the vote. think we can see where the priorities lie. and electoral reform. well there are plenty of better choices other than av. let's see if we get to choose them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/nick-clegg-note-conservative-deal

You are welcome to vote Labour next time if you wish. What you don't understand is that to be in coalition you need to compromise in order to have something in return. The Tories, to their great credit, have compromised, and so must the Lib Dems.

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The past few weeks have shown the fraility of monetary union of diverse economies within Europe. No one considered the events as have occured in Greece when driving forward policy. The Irish appear unhappy at bailing out the Greeks. There are serious cracks in the idea of a single currency. The odds must be on a country leaving the Euro within the next 2 years.

It's either fiscal union (i.e. a massive transfer of wealth on a regular basis from North Europe to South Europe), or the end of the euro experiment.

ninky_2

marklv wrote: »

They can flee to Labour - we don't need them. The Liberal Democrats is not a Labour-lite party, and never has been, it's a centrist and pro-free market party, but with an undelrying concern for helping ordinary people which is often missing from Tory policies.

i still don't really know what they are tbh. every lib dem voter seems to have a different concept of it.

my dawning interpretation is they offer rather a lot of tempting sweeties that have unfortunately been served up in a pile of regurgitation.

ninky_2

marklv wrote: »

You are welcome to vote Labour next time if you wish. What you don't understand is that to be in coalition you need to compromise in order to have something in return. The Tories, to their great credit, have compromised, and so must the Lib Dems.

ah yes. compromise. as in my values for your power?

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

i meant topping the list in a turn of phrase way lir. like taking the biscuit.

It doesn't mean the same as a phrase like taking the biscuit.

marklv

ninky wrote: »

ah yes. compromise. as in my values for your power?

"Politics is the art of the possible" - Otto von Bismarck

And today, what was possible, became reality.

Emy1501

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

I agree - they were screwed either way. But this is the worst of the choices they faced. They're in government with - and actively promoting legislation from - the very same Tories than many of their voters put a X next to LibDem specifically to keep out of power. OK so some LibDem policies will get through, but a lot of Tory ones will as well.

The thing that will kill the LibDems on the doorstep at the next election is that if you vote for them you get the Tories. If you want to vote Tory you might as well vote Tory. If you want something different than the Tories, don't vote for them.

The effect won't be uniform and nationwide. But in the midlands and the north, its death. The Tories need to be worried about what happens to them by sitting with the yellow pox. We already have loud rumblings from the right about the concessions raped out of Cameron. The sight of pro-Europeans in a Tory government will detatch many of their right wing and send them off to UKIP.

They had no choice who they jumped into bed with. Its now down to them to make sure they are not pushed around by the Tories and allow the Tories to simply protect their chums. Its seems like they have got rid of that ridiculous inheritance tax policy and got their own man into education which is a good start. So we are getting rid of policies which did not allow the Tories to get in on their own and also we are getting rid of those Lib Dem policies which were questionable ie immigration, Trident etc.

Th Lib Dems are their own party do they really want people who only voted them to get rid of the Tories?. If they really want PR then no point simply saying that we will only go into power with Labour as whats the point of them as we will always know vote Lib Dems get Labour. They gave Labour a chance to go into power with them and labour made it clear they were not interested. The reality is the Lib Dems in any Collation should try and go with the most popular party after an election unless a reasonable deal cannot be reached. It seems by all acounts what the Tories offered was more than reasonable so impossible to turn down.

If they can prove they can keep the Tories in check then their popularity will increase. Its a gamble but if they had not taken it then it would have ben the death of the party. I hope they succeed as they will get my vote next time if they do.

As for the Right of the Tory party, just like Labour did when Tony Blair got in they will have to move more to the centre as a party too far right or left has no chance in mdern politics.

tomterm8

marklv wrote: »

So you are on a higher moral plane are you? Hypocrite.

You really are an arrogant jerk, aren't you?

I didn't vote Lib Dem to start cutting the budget now. I didn't vote Lib Dem so they could abandon 600,000 immigrants, or put aside their europhile credentials. And I didn't vote Lib Dem for them to prop up a government where neither of the parties are actually implementing their manifesto. There were other choices to make. When a couple of days after an election the party tears up its manifesto, it means I don't believe a word they say next time.

If I want a tory government, I can vote Tory.

Since Lib Dems mean a tory government, there is no reason to vote for them.

Whatever you say, they did have a choice about going into Cabinet. They could have done a supply and confidence arrangement, and fought for their manifesto outside of office. That was the right choice. The one where they don't abandon the difficult parts of their manifesto just for a whiff of power.

The idea that AV is a compromise is a joke; it is not proportional, it is less proportional than the current system. The Lib Dems have always refused to accept it, as a matter of principal. But I guess principal is just chucked away when you can get a flash car.

And to repeat myself, you, sir, are an arrogant jerk.