Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

ninky_2

anyone seen this? a shot of the negotiating list clegg was working to. no mention of tax reforms or protecting public services. plenty of mention of jobs for the boys. topping the list the words "role" and "me". deputy prime minister for only 22 percent of the vote. think we can see where the priorities lie. and electoral reform. well there are plenty of better choices other than av. let's see if we get to choose them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/nick-clegg-note-conservative-deal

ninky_2

Emy1501 wrote: »

What did Lib Dem supporters think was going to happen? Labour did not want to know and at least they have a referendum on AV and seats in the cabinet to show what they can do. If they had not gone with the Tories and another election was called their idea of a reforn to the voting system would have gone up in smoke as the Tories romped home

labour did want to know but principles remained more important than power to them. plus they don't have those public school smiles and daggers negotiating skills.

Rochdale_Pioneers

Emy1501 wrote: »

What did Lib Dem supporters think was going to happen? Labour did not want to know and at least they have a referendum on AV and seats in the cabinet to show what they can do. If they had not gone with the Tories and another election was called their idea of a reforn to the voting system would have gone up in smoke as the Tories romped home

I agree - they were screwed either way. But this is the worst of the choices they faced. They're in government with - and actively promoting legislation from - the very same Tories than many of their voters put a X next to LibDem specifically to keep out of power. OK so some LibDem policies will get through, but a lot of Tory ones will as well.

The thing that will kill the LibDems on the doorstep at the next election is that if you vote for them you get the Tories. If you want to vote Tory you might as well vote Tory. If you want something different than the Tories, don't vote for them.

The effect won't be uniform and nationwide. But in the midlands and the north, its death. The Tories need to be worried about what happens to them by sitting with the yellow pox. We already have loud rumblings from the right about the concessions raped out of Cameron. The sight of pro-Europeans in a Tory government will detatch many of their right wing and send them off to UKIP.

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

anyone seen this? a shot of the negotiating list clegg was working to. no mention of tax reforms or protecting public services. plenty of mention of jobs for the boys. topping the list the words "role" and "me". deputy prime minister for only 22 percent of the vote. think we can see where the priorities lie. and electoral reform. well there are plenty of better choices other than av. let's see if we get to choose them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/nick-clegg-note-conservative-deal

I'm not sure I disagree Ninky, but the words role and me can't be accused of topping the list, can they? The guardian piece referes t them as the end of the note.

''But it is the detail at the end of the note which is most revealing. Under the heading "Roles" Clegg lists the two main issues as "ratios" and "me"''


I find the writing hard to read, but to me it looks half way down.

ninky_2

PrivatisetheNHSnow wrote: »

why don't these self-pitying lib dems form a new party?

how about the 'i was bullied at school' party :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

better than "i was the school bully" party i guess.

marklv

tomterm8 wrote: »

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So you are on a higher moral plane are you? Hypocrite.

Really2

ninky wrote: »

anyone seen this? a shot of the negotiating list clegg was working to.

mmm to think how bad you said it was and how it was against "codes"when GB was broadcast live on sky, but you have no problems with private info now being published.;)

Kohoutek

ninky wrote: »

labour did want to know but principles remained more important than power to them. plus they don't have those public school smiles and daggers negotiating skills.

That's funny because it was Ed Balls' public school arrogance that apparently let down the Labour team, and William Hague, the Tories' chief negotiator, went to the local comprehensive.

Reality is more complicated than Labour are always right and the everyone else is always wrong.

ninky_2

lostinrates wrote: »

I'm not sure I disagree Ninky, but the words role and me can't be accused of topping the list, can they? The guardian piece referes t them as the end of the note.

''But it is the detail at the end of the note which is most revealing. Under the heading "Roles" Clegg lists the two main issues as "ratios" and "me"''


I find the writing hard to read, but to me it looks half way down.

i meant topping the list in a turn of phrase way lir. like taking the biscuit.

marklv

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

A lot of LibDem voters will flee - they voted yellow to block the Tories, not to prop them up in government.

They can flee to Labour - we don't need them. The Liberal Democrats is not a Labour-lite party, and never has been, it's a centrist and pro-free market party, but with an undelrying concern for helping ordinary people which is often missing from Tory policies.