Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Guys........ the only reason why Pat is on here & thats is to recruit.

This is a Kleeneze or Betterware thread nothing to do with any other MLM company

Kleeneze is dying, they will continue to go backwards & just because Findels share price is dropping it doesn't means Kleeneze will go out of business.

Their name is dirt. The more & more people who contribute to threads like this is to hopefully tell the ACTUAL :mad: stories about Kleeneze out there then their name will continue to have the downwards effect it has been having. :eek:

As I've said right from the start I cant wait to see the ACTUAL figures on Kleenezes sales. THEN & only THEN I want to hear back from all these people that are earning millions & yes thats includes you GAVIN SCOTT if you've front to come on here

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Regards
John

The thing is kleeneze could b make money but if findel go under that's all their banking and credit gone, they go under. The problem is they don't make money, the rest of the group do , but all in all it's not enough. On the other site they mentioned GScotts FB page which I am still out down as *like* , a quick look has him telling people that its the best time to join ((the past must have been the worst time then)) and that big things are in the pipeline so they should **Hold onto their hats**

What big thing would that be then? Bankruptcy??

Quite funny though to have hin whining that people are coming to his site trying to recruit for other MLM's!! I had to laugh at the one comment where some clone goes on about beware MLM that offer fantastic incomes , and that anyone should ask how much they can earn without recruiting. One thing they can forget is thinking they'll get anything like gavins cars and yachts, in fact they can forget even minimum wage.

Tricky times ahead and I fell sorry for anyone suckered in now when it could all go belly up.

PatrickD

niftyone wrote: »

If thats the case strange that you said when first joining.

"I'll declare straight away that I'm a distributor with xxxx and if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them for you. I'm no expert as I've only been with the company for a matter of months, but I've been in MLM before, with an American company, but found it very hard to retail any products as the prices were too high "

So? All true, I've only been with my present company a few months which doesn't qualify me as an expert in anyone's eyes, with that company. In my last company, I built a downline in 4 different countries where I successfully earnt good money, but couldn't make any success of it in this country. Nice try, but no cigar.

Pat

PatrickD

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Guys........ the only reason why Pat is on here & thats is to recruit.

This is a Kleeneze or Betterware thread nothing to do with any other MLM company

Kleeneze is dying, they will continue to go backwards & just because Findels share price is dropping it doesn't means Kleeneze will go out of business.

Their name is dirt. The more & more people who contribute to threads like this is to hopefully tell the ACTUAL :mad: stories about Kleeneze out there then their name will continue to have the downwards effect it has been having. :eek:

As I've said right from the start I cant wait to see the ACTUAL figures on Kleenezes sales. THEN & only THEN I want to hear back from all these people that are earning millions & yes thats includes you GAVIN SCOTT if you've front to come on here

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Regards
John

I've noticed more and more from reading on here, that there are a few of you who probably believe you own the forum, and if anyone has the gall to disagree with you they're ''only here to recruit''. Tip for you: you will have far more credibility if you are willing to discuss things with people who don't share your views, rather than just call them ''liars and recruiters''.

Pat

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

I rest my case.

Read my reply, you can rest your case somewhere else then! :rotfl::rotfl:

Pat

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

I've noticed more and more from reading on here, that there are a few of you who probably believe you own the forum, and if anyone has the gall to disagree with you they're ''only here to recruit''. Tip for you: you will have far more credibility if you are willing to discuss things with people who don't share your views, rather than just call them ''liars and recruiters''.

Pat

Well if you weren't so obtuse , and indeed quite rude to others like Jeanette who has far more experience than you have of Kleeneze then you might be viewed a little better.

You have said on this thread that you did kleeneze for a month yet elsewhere you said you have had experience of just a couple of MLM's and Kleeneze a*decade ago*. You seem all too quick to bring this *other company* into any of the posts here.

In your haste to pretend you are hard done by you actually contribute very little to moving the thread forward, as you haven't actually done kleeneze recently enough (or long enough , a month 10 yrs ago won't cut it) for your points to be valid to people doing it right now.

Jeanette has rightly pointed out that someone posted making out they knew nothing of kleeneze when they did and that their post looked like classic Kleeneze spin - it looked the same to me, I too have seen stuff like this, I too have heard all the hard luck stories that just don't add up. Sorry if this comes as a shock to many but kleeneze agents are so desperate , so morally bankrupt in many cases they'd come to forums like this and make up all sorts of stuff.

I know this sounds harsh and it'd be sad if the person who wrote it was real but too much water is under the bridge now.

Finally it has been only you who feels that others *shouldn't* post here, citing the fact that you have more experience etc.

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

Read my reply, you can rest your case somewhere else then! :rotfl::rotfl:

Pat

See what I meant by trying to get people to leave? not constructive at all really .

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Well if you weren't so obtuse , and indeed quite rude to others like Jeanette who has far more experience than you have of Kleeneze then you might be viewed a little better.

You have said on this thread that you did kleeneze for a month yet elsewhere you said you have had experience of just a couple of MLM's and Kleeneze a*decade ago*. You seem all too quick to bring this *other company* into any of the posts here.

In your haste to pretend you are hard done by you actually contribute very little to moving the thread forward, as you haven't actually done kleeneze recently enough (or long enough , a month 10 yrs ago won't cut it) for your points to be valid to people doing it right now.

Jeanette has rightly pointed out that someone posted making out they knew nothing of kleeneze when they did and that their post looked like classic Kleeneze spin - it looked the same to me, I too have seen stuff like this, I too have heard all the hard luck stories that just don't add up. Sorry if this comes as a shock to many but kleeneze agents are so desperate , so morally bankrupt in many cases they'd come to forums like this and make up all sorts of stuff.

I know this sounds harsh and it'd be sad if the person who wrote it was real but too much water is under the bridge now.

Finally it has been only you who feels that others *shouldn't* post here, citing the fact that you have more experience etc.

No, you've understood me wrong. I believe everyone should have an opportunity to post here and not be accused of lying or recruiting as I've been. What does seem to happen though, is that if you are against Kleeneze, everything you post is true and if you are a supporter of Kleeneze or any MLM company for that matter, you're a liar and only here to recruit. I am neither and believe I have a right to post my views on here. I have over 15 years experience of MLM, it is not difficult to find out all I need to know about Kleeneze so that I can make an informed decision about the company, even if I never did a thing with them. I have seen plenty on this forum air their views about other MLM companies, including the one I'm with, even though they've never even seen one of their products ''in the flesh''.

Pat

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

No, you've understood me wrong. I believe everyone should have an opportunity to post here and not be accused of lying or recruiting as I've been. What does seem to happen though, is that if you are against Kleeneze, everything you post is true and if you are a supporter of Kleeneze or any MLM company for that matter, you're a liar and only here to recruit. I am neither and believe I have a right to post my views on here. I have over 15 years experience of MLM, it is not difficult to find out all I need to know about Kleeneze so that I can make an informed decision about the company, even if I never did a thing with them. I have seen plenty on this forum air their views about other MLM companies, including the one I'm with, even though they've never even seen one of their products ''in the flesh''.

Pat

No I haven't got you wrong at all , you haven't put forward a coherent point , you've taken a line about Jeanteete oposting calling her names and suggesting she doesn't post.

There are hundreds of posts here , you haven't read all of them to come to this opinion that no one is allowed to speak on behalf of kleeneze. It's OK if people do but when they post stiff like (and I quote a post) ---

**Kleeneze works it's people that don't**

----then frankly the argument is polarised - thats insulting and frankly beneath contempt , it's used to belittle the 9 out of 10 then drop out of kleeneze because it's damn near impossible to make any money now.

Add to this that those posts are followed up by people using stock phrases and the now too often used clich!s to say how easy and wonderful kleeneze is. This has become such an issue online that if you cut and paste some of the posts onto google they come up in several other places. It might work for a handful of top uplines but for the footsoldiers it certainly doesn't.

Now away from the posts you feel that 10 yrs in MLM , and a look online gives you an insight into Kleeneze, well frankly it doesn't. On paper it appears to work and there are some slick websites but unless in the last couple of years you have actually been to meetings and seminars , traipsed the streets with books and tried to recruit then you haven't the real insight that those that have done it have.

If someone says in any other thread anything about your MLM then say what you like but I don't see me or Jeanette saying such things. You do yourself few favours by shoe horning in references to you MLM , it's a little transparent really.

So to be clear - no one has said you *shouldn't* post - but you opioned that Jeanette shouldn't. If Kleeneze agents know full well what the game is , it's called the three foot rule, which applies equally online.

Be sure of this - this is one of the FEW places online that ANY debate on kleeneze is allowed AT ALL. If it's Kleeneze site they NEVER allow debate or dissent, there was a kleeneze forum but few would risk posting there.

PatrickD

Where did I state that Jeanette shouldn't post?

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

Where did I state that Jeanette shouldn't post?

In was particularly careful the way I phrased my post - I said you opined that Jeanette should **rest her case somewhere else**.

I note you ignored the rest.

I do suggest you read this thread from Post 1 last year and see the blatant advertising and people telling others how they are lazy or not working hard enough. Note too that last year, the poster firstly pretending they had a friend doing kleeneze then coming out and saying that had done it etc etc etc, was saying how they'd given up as it was taking too much time and how they were liked for being successful but derided for not being so.

Lots of bizarre flip flopping going on.

Hardly surprising people reach a low tolerance level really.

Now this could go round in circles and I suggest we confine ourselves to kleeneze (or indeed betterware) , it's day to day activity is most likely to gain debate here and be of interest to people who could be drawn in by adverts that quite simply say *earn this much for part time work* . Now the wider MLM is one debate and I note that a very old thread has miraculously sprung back to life where it's being discussed.