Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Peter_Pan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Good points Honest john and Should be out gardening. Firstly without wanting to reignite anything it's best for onlookers to note who does and who doesn't put **PM me fpor more details** in their posts. Note too who posts things like **people would rather watch East enders than build their business** . Note who says things liek people are *whining* on here about kleeneze rather than admitting it';s got the most awful bad reputation and that free discussion like this here is NON EXISTENT on pro kleeneze sites.


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Moving on -- lets discuss recruiting then , now the premise is that you join Kleeneze and do the catalogues to make an income (or not as the case may be) . The next step would be to recruit others who also do the catalogues and their order value is lumped with yours and you get more bonus. The more you recruit the better as their orders with yours can make a tidy amount.

Supposedly

The problem - not told when they recruit you - is that few can actually make any money at all with the catalogues even in the short term. So a great many , making no money and it taking 5 times longer than advertised give up. You get no money from their orders, and you are back to square 1. Keep this up for 12 months and recruit several people, having presented to triple that amount , having first spent an arm and leg on newspaper ads, leaflets through doors and goodness knows how many other *great ideas for recruiting* dreamt up by the uplines.

I know my upline has recruited hundreds, I know of other golds who over 6 yrs have recruited over 300 people and are *still* languishing at gold. Given it's a 3 -5 yr plan they should be rolling in it, but they are no further forward.

I agree Jeanetteathome that Kleeneze has got a bad reputation because of various things over the years including in my opinion inexperienced people recruiting others without either of them knowing the full facts.
I do however still maintain that you can earn from the brochures
(or perhaps i should say you could as it was 9 years ago when we did it when its reputation wasn't as damaged as it is now) and we did make a useful 2nd income from it and i could fit it around my then 3 year old, it was when we got involved with recruiting by our sponsor putting several people in our team and being totally inexperienced we felt we were never doing enough compared to our upline stories and we started spending all our retail profit on lead generating activities and increased the retailing until we nearly wrecked our marriage . It was then we stopped for a few moments and asked ourselves questions about the products, the ethics and would we really be happy encouraging our teams to do what we were when it nearly caused a breakdown of a previously strong relationship.

I don't see what is wrong with some people wanting to better themselves, their families and the world generally if they choose not to spend time on activities such as watching TV but on activities that will improve themselves, i choose to read, do anything where i am learning, or i meditate, listen to music rather than watch TV and i also choose to mix with positive like minded people. I feel it is a waste when people moan about "their lot" but choose to spend their leisure time doing activities which isn't going to change that, i would rather be learning or working my Business both of which i enjoy which to me is the most important thing. I'm enjoying the journey and any experience good or bad will benefit me but i know watching TV in most cases wouldn't benefit me personally in any way. My choice

As for 3-5 years, i think unless you are prepared to work 24/7 for all that time, its ore like a 5-10 year plan these days depending on what you expect from it. The income of the likes of Gavin Scott etc i think are part of the reason why Kleeneze struggles now.

Peter_Pan

PatrickD wrote: »

My personal opinion of Kleeneze is that there too much emphasis on putting out catalogues and building a round, or trying to, where you spend the rest of your life just putting out catalogues.
Personally this is not what a MLM company is all about. If I was doing Kleeneze, I would be choosing a few of the everyday products (like cleaning products, personal care products etc), finding a few customers for those everyday products mainly from people I know and then spending my time looking to recruit people who do the same.
Spending the vast majority of your time tramping the streets is just going to cause heartache eventually, imo. Most people won't have the motivation to do it on a consistent basis for the rest of their lives and the problems with coming across other distributors in the same street are obvious.
MLM is about a lot of people doing a little, consistently over time.
Kleeneze don't follow that in my opinion.

Pat

I do think Kleeneze have to emphasis the brochure side because its the "big" retailers who are holding the network together in my opinion. It has moved away from true network marketing of lots of people doing a reasonable amount and the emphasis on big retail. It would be a start in my opinion if every Kleeneze Distributor used the products themselves and found some customers locally who also wanted to use the products regularly rather than buying one off plastic bits which seem a good idea at the time but lay unused in peoples drawers for years been there done that :rotfl:

Retailing by brochures is great for extra cash going through the household but the danger of doing big retail is if you need to stop for any reason so does the income and i know from our previous experience big retail is time consuming, the house looked like a warehouse and it took over our lives mainly cos we had to cover a large area to find the customers due to other agents.

Debbie

Honest_John_666

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Lets talk of honesty - had I have known what I know now about doing kleeneze I would never have parted with a penny. Had I been told the truth about how long it would take to put out and more importantly collect in the books , about the real amounts of orders one could foreseeably get, about the very real ongoing costs of doing kleeneze, about the grim realities of actually getting other people to do it - then I NEVER would have joined in a million years.

And thats the key - had my upline said **Now I know the blurb says it'll take a couple of hours, but in reality it'll take that long to put them out and three times longer to get them in , plus you'll need to make several visits to either get the books or deliver the goods - oh and you'll lose 10% of all your books blanket dropping every time you go out.** Then frankly I'd have said **No thanks**

This is the point, no body in their right mind who wants to make money on Kleeneze would tell the truth at recruitment as no one would sign up --""most of the stuff is plastic tat easily bought for a fraction of the price in the shops"" who would sign up to that?? **you've little or no chance of succeeding at this as I've been in it for years and haven't made anything , thats why I parked my tatty old 10 yr old car round the corner whilst telling you you can win minis!***

Who'd sign up to that?

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Sorry Jeanette you just reminded me when I was involved with Amway many many many many many light years ago

I had the person coming round who was just about to break away & make it BIG in Amway.

After his show, which was a load of rubbish, as I would've done it better myself.......we had to bump start his van :rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl:

I was a bit of a hot head back in them days & I was very fortunate to have a very nice sports car as a young 'un & got really hooked into the Amway MLM BUT I COULD NEVER understand why this MR BIG drove around in a van..........till a few year later :cool: I was never & still not the brightest spark:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Sorry your CAR comments just gave me a flash back & giggle to myself

Regards
John

PatrickD

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I do think Kleeneze have to emphasis the brochure side because its the "big" retailers who are holding the network together in my opinion. It has moved away from true network marketing of lots of people doing a reasonable amount and the emphasis on big retail. It would be a start in my opinion if every Kleeneze Distributor used the products themselves and found some customers locally who also wanted to use the products regularly rather than buying one off plastic bits which seem a good idea at the time but lay unused in peoples drawers for years been there done that :rotfl:

Retailing by brochures is great for extra cash going through the household but the danger of doing big retail is if you need to stop for any reason so does the income and i know from our previous experience big retail is time consuming, the house looked like a warehouse and it took over our lives mainly cos we had to cover a large area to find the customers due to other agents.

Debbie

Agree with all of that and thats why I couldn't see myself ever working with Kleeneze. Its not ''real'' network marketing in my view.

Pat

PatrickD

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Sorry Jeanette you just reminded me when I was involved with Amway many many many many many light years ago

I had the person coming round who was just about to break away & make it BIG in Amway.

After his show, which was a load of rubbish, as I would've done it better myself.......we had to bump start his van :rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl:

I was a bit of a hot head back in them days & I was very fortunate to have a very nice sports car as a young 'un & got really hooked into the Amway MLM BUT I COULD NEVER understand why this MR BIG drove around in a van..........till a few year later :cool: I was never & still not the brightest spark:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Sorry your CAR comments just gave me a flash back & giggle to myself

Regards
John

Always hated the ''fake it till you make it'' model. Why not just be honest? (thats not aimed at anyone here, but anyone who does it)

Pat

Jeanetteathome

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I agree Jeanetteathome that Kleeneze has got a bad reputation because of various things over the years including in my opinion inexperienced people recruiting others without either of them knowing the full facts.
I do however still maintain that you can earn from the brochures
(or perhaps i should say you could as it was 9 years ago when we did it when its reputation wasn't as damaged as it is now) and we did make a useful 2nd income from it and i could fit it around my then 3 year old, it was when we got involved with recruiting by our sponsor putting several people in our team and being totally inexperienced we felt we were never doing enough compared to our upline stories and we started spending all our retail profit on lead generating activities and increased the retailing until we nearly wrecked our marriage . It was then we stopped for a few moments and asked ourselves questions about the products, the ethics and would we really be happy encouraging our teams to do what we were when it nearly caused a breakdown of a previously strong relationship.

I don't see what is wrong with some people wanting to better themselves, their families and the world generally if they choose not to spend time on activities such as watching TV but on activities that will improve themselves, i choose to read, do anything where i am learning, or i meditate, listen to music rather than watch TV and i also choose to mix with positive like minded people. I feel it is a waste when people moan about "their lot" but choose to spend their leisure time doing activities which isn't going to change that, i would rather be learning or working my Business both of which i enjoy which to me is the most important thing. I'm enjoying the journey and any experience good or bad will benefit me but i know watching TV in most cases wouldn't benefit me personally in any way. My choice

As for 3-5 years, i think unless you are prepared to work 24/7 for all that time, its ore like a 5-10 year plan these days depending on what you expect from it. The income of the likes of Gavin Scott etc i think are part of the reason why Kleeneze struggles now.

Firstly , can you post in black and white as it makes your post very hard to read in blue?

So you say that Kleeneze almost destroyed your relationship, thats really not that uncommon at all. But then go on to say about people watching TV - it's the usual line about *lazy people not building their businesses* again isn't it? No one is stopping anyone doing anything , but if you work all day then spend all your leisure time supposedly *building a business* that you never actually get to enjoy or indeed after 5 - 10 yrs you are in the same place as when you started whats the point? It's the kind of thing they used to say at meetings when it was tentatively mentioned that a person might *not* want to spend every waking hour on Kleeneze. Personally I worked every night of the week , people just weren't in during the day, you just have to put those hours in. God help a working couple trying to do this.

Talking from purely kleeneze standpoint it most certainly is sold as a 3 -5 yr plan - there is guy who posted here who had done it for 3 years and being in the same place as he was when he started., So few actually can make gold now they changed the requirements for the supposed *holidays* to just getting gold and holding it - it used to be Bronze (gold with two golds below) , few if any make (or more correctly hold) bronze now you can see it's dying.

Jeanetteathome

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I do think Kleeneze have to emphasis the brochure side because its the "big" retailers who are holding the network together in my opinion. It has moved away from true network marketing of lots of people doing a reasonable amount and the emphasis on big retail. It would be a start in my opinion if every Kleeneze Distributor used the products themselves and found some customers locally who also wanted to use the products regularly rather than buying one off plastic bits which seem a good idea at the time but lay unused in peoples drawers for years been there done that :rotfl:

Retailing by brochures is great for extra cash going through the household but the danger of doing big retail is if you need to stop for any reason so does the income and i know from our previous experience big retail is time consuming, the house looked like a warehouse and it took over our lives mainly cos we had to cover a large area to find the customers due to other agents.

Debbie

The thing is it's rubbish even if you only wanted a little cash , the time and expense of it makes it just not worth it. The amount of people that signed up and really only wanted £200 or less , they couldn't do it . Of course you'd have a few good weeks but the time and hassle just wasn't worth it especially once honeymoon periods were over for whatever special offer was on at the time like free delivery for the first few orders or free this and that. Whatever happened the drudgery grind of it all just isn't worth it.

Of course it's sold as 10 hours a week over seven days or 40 a month to get the magic 1600 bracket and get £500

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This is cut straight from Kleeneze distributors website:-

How long does it take to deliver and collect the Kleeneaze catalogues?

A typical retailers week is indicated below -



Monday Deliver 200 Kleeneze catalogues 2 Hours
Tuesday
Wednesday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
Thursday Deliver 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2 Hours
Friday Deliver previous weeks Kleeneze products 1½ Hours
Saturday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
Sunday
With the national average of £1.00 per Kleeneze catalogue there is £400 worth of orders taken Total
10½ Hours


So Will I earn on that?

If you carry on and complete 400 catalogues a week over the 4 week sales period this will amass to 4 x 400 = £1600 of orders

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All sounds lovely doesn't it?

No mention of sorting soaking wet and muddled up books and replacing labels, only 2.5 hours to get 200 in? only if every single one is on the doorstep, not a chance. They'd need a minimum of another 50 books to cover losses at least, it presupposes £1 book very unlikely nowadays. Then there is 1.5 hours to get the orders out - triple that at least.

Of course this is just one month - can they keep this up every month? well they can as long as they have no life , if they do want a life or perhaps a relax in front of the TV after a day at work they are idle and lazy . God help them if they don't want to give up a night for a meeting!

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

Agree with all of that and thats why I couldn't see myself ever working with Kleeneze. Its not ''real'' network marketing in my view.

Pat

Of course it's real MLM , in its first decades it worked fine whilst people actually wanted the stuff on offer, pre online shopping , pre bargain shops and giant asdas, Little knick nacks , quality brushes and household items. A person went out made money with the books so it was dead easy to get others to do it and when they tried they too made money, it was cheap and easy to do. I've know Bronzes who got their in 6 months , gold in 6 weeks, and they held it they really did get over £1 a book and more from day 1.

Now it's tat - nothing in there you can't get elsewhere for a fraction of the price.

This is a clear example why it doesn't work

3 tier airer - it's the *Minky* one with light blue edges , not very good quality , a whopping £32

http://www.kleenezeshop.com/products/373-deluxe-3-tier-airer.aspx

they are a paltry 14.99 in pound stretcher - delivered anywhere in UK for and extra £5

http://www.poundstretcher.co.uk/laundry-cleaning-brushware/laundry/airers-dryers/deluxe-3-tier-airer.html

**This** is why kleeneze doesn't work any more , £32 for a £15 item (bet I could better that price by shopping around) , it needs to be that price to pay the endless uplines their cut, how does a £3 toast tong pay for several layers of uplines and cars etc? It cant - thats why Kleenze is going under they just can't sustain it any more.

missterryshopper

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

**This** is why kleeneze doesn't work any more , £32 for a £15 item.

Somebody has to pay for the Oversea,s Jollies like the recent one in New York.:D

wongawonga

They deny liability when rogue distributors let them down.

http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/kleeneze.co.uk