Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Should_be_out_gardening

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

The thing is kleeneze could b make money but if findel go under that's all their banking and credit gone, they go under. The problem is they don't make money, the rest of the group do , but all in all it's not enough. On the other site they mentioned GScotts FB page which I am still out down as *like* , a quick look has him telling people that its the best time to join ((the past must have been the worst time then)) and that big things are in the pipeline so they should **Hold onto their hats**

What big thing would that be then? Bankruptcy??

Quite funny though to have hin whining that people are coming to his site trying to recruit for other MLM's!! I had to laugh at the one comment where some clone goes on about beware MLM that offer fantastic incomes , and that anyone should ask how much they can earn without recruiting. One thing they can forget is thinking they'll get anything like gavins cars and yachts, in fact they can forget even minimum wage.

Tricky times ahead and I fell sorry for anyone suckered in now when it could all go belly up.

Reading this earlier this morning I went to FB and Gavins page where to be honest it was all kicking off about a very senior bloke being fired from Kleeneze , he was railing at gavin for telling all hi team this guy was sacked before he himself had been told. Others were joining in and it was getting fruity - now it's been pulled!

They can't take *any* criticism at all can they?

JennyJewell

Yes I am real! And quite honestly offended! Would you like to visit my house and see the ceiling on my living room floor and the water running down the walls? I kid you not! We can't get a grant to help us - we are not over 65 years of age and have no special circumstances, we're just bloody skint! I work my guts off and am trying my damndest to get us out of this situation but I don't moan about it I get on with it. I was really happy about my orders and thought I would share some positive news on a forum that I thought would be welcoming but I was wrong Sorry for upsetting anyone, believe what you want, it was a completely genuine post without trying any recruiting 'tricks' whatsoever.
Good luck all, hope you all find what you are looking for in life,
Jen
Ps. I never tried to make out that I knew nothing of Kleeneze - if you look at my posts you will find that I have been involved with Kleeneze 7 years ago at a time when I needed it and I made it work for me then.

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Well if you weren't so obtuse , and indeed quite rude to others like Jeanette who has far more experience than you have of Kleeneze then you might be viewed a little better.

You have said on this thread that you did kleeneze for a month yet elsewhere you said you have had experience of just a couple of MLM's and Kleeneze a*decade ago*. You seem all too quick to bring this *other company* into any of the posts here.

In your haste to pretend you are hard done by you actually contribute very little to moving the thread forward, as you haven't actually done kleeneze recently enough (or long enough , a month 10 yrs ago won't cut it) for your points to be valid to people doing it right now.

Jeanette has rightly pointed out that someone posted making out they knew nothing of kleeneze when they did and that their post looked like classic Kleeneze spin - it looked the same to me, I too have seen stuff like this, I too have heard all the hard luck stories that just don't add up. Sorry if this comes as a shock to many but kleeneze agents are so desperate , so morally bankrupt in many cases they'd come to forums like this and make up all sorts of stuff.

I know this sounds harsh and it'd be sad if the person who wrote it was real but too much water is under the bridge now.

Finally it has been only you who feels that others *shouldn't* post here, citing the fact that you have more experience etc.

OldGreyFox

JennyJewell wrote: »

Yes I am real! And quite honestly offended! Would you like to visit my house and see the ceiling on my living room floor and the water running down the walls? I kid you not! We can't get a grant to help us - we are not over 65 years of age and have no special circumstances, we're just bloody skint! I work my guts off and am trying my damndest to get us out of this situation but I don't moan about it I get on with it. I was really happy about my orders and thought I would share some positive news on a forum that I thought would be welcoming but I was wrong Sorry for upsetting anyone, believe what you want, it was a completely genuine post without trying any recruiting 'tricks' whatsoever.
Good luck all, hope you all find what you are looking for in life,
Jen
Ps. I never tried to make out that I knew nothing of Kleeneze - if you look at my posts you will find that I have been involved with Kleeneze 7 years ago at a time when I needed it and I made it work for me then.

Why are you so offended ? Should be out gardening was addressing another poster not you.;)

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

In was particularly careful the way I phrased my post - I said you opined that Jeanette should **rest her case somewhere else**.

I note you ignored the rest.

I do suggest you read this thread from Post 1 last year and see the blatant advertising and people telling others how they are lazy or not working hard enough. Note too that last year, the poster firstly pretending they had a friend doing kleeneze then coming out and saying that had done it etc etc etc, was saying how they'd given up as it was taking too much time and how they were liked for being successful but derided for not being so.

Lots of bizarre flip flopping going on.

Hardly surprising people reach a low tolerance level really.

Now this could go round in circles and I suggest we confine ourselves to kleeneze (or indeed betterware) , it's day to day activity is most likely to gain debate here and be of interest to people who could be drawn in by adverts that quite simply say *earn this much for part time work* . Now the wider MLM is one debate and I note that a very old thread has miraculously sprung back to life where it's being discussed.

Yes I agree, we should only be discussing Kleeneze, which is exactly what I wanted to do before I was accused of lying and recruiting (which I wasn't), but a proper discussion involves differing views. The problem here is that if anyone posts anything positive about Kleeneze, or any MLM, they are immediately shot down. So, yes, lets discuss Kleeeneze, but at least respect others views even if you don't agree with them.

Just to close the other point, my saying ''rest your case elsewhere'' did not mean don't post here anymore, I was referring to the one point Jeanette had aimed at me. Personally I love a discussion with many points of view, far more interesting than everyone having the same view.

So, lets get on with discussing Kleeneze.

Pat

Honest_John_666

PatrickD wrote: »

I've noticed more and more from reading on here, that there are a few of you who probably believe you own the forum, and if anyone has the gall to disagree with you they're ''only here to recruit''. Tip for you: you will have far more credibility if you are willing to discuss things with people who don't share your views, rather than just call them ''liars and recruiters''.

Pat

Its called a forum Pat & sometimes people get a feeling why certain people are on here. or maybe its just me

My feelings about you are IMO your not really adding anything to this thread of Kleeneze or Betterware. You seem to be telling us how great you are & good luck to you if your are :T

If you read back over this thread if you've got 3 days spare to do so I think you'll find there's a lot of opinion on this thread & not much of it can be 100% substantiated, so sometimes you have to take it with a pinch of salt. There's a lot of fact & there's a lot of BS on this thread & IMO the BS always comes from the pro Kleeneze people.

There's seems of the face of it some good people within Kleeneze BUT & this is a BIG MASSIVE BUT that 99% of Kleeneze people are lying & suckering innocent people into the Kleeneze opportunity without giving people the FULL FACTS.

People are desperate out there, people do fall for the same old flannel. So for this reason & this reason alone I pop back on here to add my two penneth for what's its worth in the sheer hope that some of the info shared on here is taken on board & stops others being sucked into the vacant urban myth that's you can earn the fortunes Kleeneze recruiters will tell you

I hope you understand this & yes I know a little about this field so IMO I'm very qualified to give an opinion. Good luck with your business

Regards
John

PatrickD

Thanks for your best wishes John, but you have to admit, the following statement of yours is quite a generalisation:

this is a BIG MASSIVE BUT that 99% of Kleeneze people are lying & suckering innocent people into the Kleeneze opportunity without giving people the FULL FACTS.

You may well have seen a few doing this, there are liars and scammers in all businesses, but to say that 99% are doing it?

Of course, like the rest of us, you're entitled to your opinion and mine is certainly different. Most people I've ever come across in any MLM, are decent, good people. Some of them may have been unfortunately taught by a dishonest person and not realise they are doing wrong, but to say that 99% are liars and trying to sucker people in is not true. Just my opinion of course.

Pat

Jeanetteathome

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Its called a forum Pat & sometimes people get a feeling why certain people are on here. or maybe its just me

My feelings about you are IMO your not really adding anything to this thread of Kleeneze or Betterware. You seem to be telling us how great you are & good luck to you if your are :T

If you read back over this thread if you've got 3 days spare to do so I think you'll find there's a lot of opinion on this thread & not much of it can be 100% substantiated, so sometimes you have to take it with a pinch of salt. There's a lot of fact & there's a lot of BS on this thread & IMO the BS always comes from the pro Kleeneze people.

There's seems of the face of it some good people within Kleeneze BUT & this is a BIG MASSIVE BUT that 99% of Kleeneze people are lying & suckering innocent people into the Kleeneze opportunity without giving people the FULL FACTS.

People are desperate out there, people do fall for the same old flannel. So for this reason & this reason alone I pop back on here to add my two penneth for what's its worth in the sheer hope that some of the info shared on here is taken on board & stops others being sucked into the vacant urban myth that's you can earn the fortunes Kleeneze recruiters will tell you

I hope you understand this & yes I know a little about this field so IMO I'm very qualified to give an opinion. Good luck with your business

Regards
John

Good points Honest john and Should be out gardening. Firstly without wanting to reignite anything it's best for onlookers to note who does and who doesn't put **PM me fpor more details** in their posts. Note too who posts things like **people would rather watch East enders than build their business** . Note who says things liek people are *whining* on here about kleeneze rather than admitting it';s got the most awful bad reputation and that free discussion like this here is NON EXISTENT on pro kleeneze sites.

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Moving on -- lets discuss recruiting then , now the premise is that you join Kleeneze and do the catalogues to make an income (or not as the case may be) . The next step would be to recruit others who also do the catalogues and their order value is lumped with yours and you get more bonus. The more you recruit the better as their orders with yours can make a tidy amount.

Supposedly

The problem - not told when they recruit you - is that few can actually make any money at all with the catalogues even in the short term. So a great many , making no money and it taking 5 times longer than advertised give up. You get no money from their orders, and you are back to square 1. Keep this up for 12 months and recruit several people, having presented to triple that amount , having first spent an arm and leg on newspaper ads, leaflets through doors and goodness knows how many other *great ideas for recruiting* dreamt up by the uplines.

I know my upline has recruited hundreds, I know of other golds who over 6 yrs have recruited over 300 people and are *still* languishing at gold. Given it's a 3 -5 yr plan they should be rolling in it, but they are no further forward.

PatrickD

My personal opinion of Kleeneze is that there too much emphasis on putting out catalogues and building a round, or trying to, where you spend the rest of your life just putting out catalogues.
Personally this is not what a MLM company is all about. If I was doing Kleeneze, I would be choosing a few of the everyday products (like cleaning products, personal care products etc), finding a few customers for those everyday products mainly from people I know and then spending my time looking to recruit people who do the same.
Spending the vast majority of your time tramping the streets is just going to cause heartache eventually, imo. Most people won't have the motivation to do it on a consistent basis for the rest of their lives and the problems with coming across other distributors in the same street are obvious.
MLM is about a lot of people doing a little, consistently over time.
Kleeneze don't follow that in my opinion.

Pat

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

Thanks for your best wishes John, but you have to admit, the following statement of yours is quite a generalisation:


You may well have seen a few doing this, there are liars and scammers in all businesses, but to say that 99% are doing it?

Of course, like the rest of us, you're entitled to your opinion and mine is certainly different. Most people I've ever come across in any MLM, are decent, good people. Some of them may have been unfortunately taught by a dishonest person and not realise they are doing wrong, but to say that 99% are liars and trying to sucker people in is not true. Just my opinion of course.

Pat

Lets talk of honesty - had I have known what I know now about doing kleeneze I would never have parted with a penny. Had I been told the truth about how long it would take to put out and more importantly collect in the books , about the real amounts of orders one could foreseeably get, about the very real ongoing costs of doing kleeneze, about the grim realities of actually getting other people to do it - then I NEVER would have joined in a million years.

And thats the key - had my upline said **Now I know the blurb says it'll take a couple of hours, but in reality it'll take that long to put them out and three times longer to get them in , plus you'll need to make several visits to either get the books or deliver the goods - oh and you'll lose 10% of all your books blanket dropping every time you go out.** Then frankly I'd have said **No thanks**

This is the point, no body in their right mind who wants to make money on Kleeneze would tell the truth at recruitment as no one would sign up --""most of the stuff is plastic tat easily bought for a fraction of the price in the shops"" who would sign up to that?? **you've little or no chance of succeeding at this as I've been in it for years and haven't made anything , thats why I parked my tatty old 10 yr old car round the corner whilst telling you you can win minis!***

Who'd sign up to that?

Honest_John_666

PatrickD wrote: »

Thanks for your best wishes John, but you have to admit, the following statement of yours is quite a generalisation:


You may well have seen a few doing this, there are liars and scammers in all businesses, but to say that 99% are doing it?

Of course, like the rest of us, you're entitled to your opinion and mine is certainly different. Most people I've ever come across in any MLM, are decent, good people. Some of them may have been unfortunately taught by a dishonest person and not realise they are doing wrong, but to say that 99% are liars and trying to sucker people in is not true. Just my opinion of course.

Pat

Thanks Pat, I said good luck to you twice as IMO you need a lot of luck to run these types of businesses

I use the words 99% towards Kleeneze NOT any other MLM company because I feel qualified that in my opionion & with my own personal knowledge, tainted with a slight bias towards the Betterware business, that 99% of Kleeneze recruiters are not selling the Kleeneze opportunity correcty & in no way IMO ethically

The sooner the scumbags who prey on vulnerable people are taken out of society the better the whole world will be :cool:

Now.......I haven't mentioned anybody, any company just a generalisation phrase that......... if the caps fits...wear it :mad:

I haven't met many decent people lately in Kleeneze & I have spoken with lots of them including Gavin Scott on many occasions. Good riddance to Kleeneze if they go belly up which IMO wont happen for the way they act as a company & for the way they allow themselves to operate.

I hope this clarifies where I stand in this little debate :rotfl:

Regards
John