Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Peter_Pan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Firstly , can you post in black and white as it makes your post very hard to read in blue?

So you say that Kleeneze almost destroyed your relationship, thats really not that uncommon at all. But then go on to say about people watching TV - it's the usual line about *lazy people not building their businesses* again isn't it? No one is stopping anyone doing anything , but if you work all day then spend all your leisure time supposedly *building a business* that you never actually get to enjoy or indeed after 5 - 10 yrs you are in the same place as when you started whats the point? It's the kind of thing they used to say at meetings when it was tentatively mentioned that a person might *not* want to spend every waking hour on Kleeneze. Personally I worked every night of the week , people just weren't in during the day, you just have to put those hours in. God help a working couple trying to do this.

Talking from purely kleeneze standpoint it most certainly is sold as a 3 -5 yr plan - there is guy who posted here who had done it for 3 years and being in the same place as he was when he started., So few actually can make gold now they changed the requirements for the supposed *holidays* to just getting gold and holding it - it used to be Bronze (gold with two golds below) , few if any make (or more correctly hold) bronze now you can see it's dying.

Sorry about the blue (i originally was going to answer on your quoted post and put my comments in blue but changed my mind and forgot to change colour .
I have never implied anyone choosing to watch TV as being lazy , I was merely saying i disagreed with you that people should note who writes things like that!! There are people who don't work from home Businesses who don't watch TV because they fill their lives with other things, it just doesn't make sense to me when so many people aren't happy yet they don't try to improve themselves so they can get better jobs, i'm not just talking about building a Biz because i realise that not everyone wants that commitment, there are evening college courses or joining a club where you may just meet someone who could open other doors for you.

We came away from Kleeneze just about breaking even after 2 years + because of the recruiting and being inexperienced but that doesn't mean to say i came away with nothing, i had learnt a lot from the experience and i did gain some lasting friendships from it (9 yrs later and i still have them as friends), none are still Kleeneze agents i hasten to add and the personal development side i will always be grateful for. Just from that side of it our life has improved dramatically, our outlook on life has totally changed for the better and has helped us since get through some personal difficult times.


Debbie

JennyJewell

Evening all

OldGreyFox - thank you for pointing it out and Should be out gardening, if your post wasn't aimed at me I wholeheartedly apologise for getting offended and agitated, lots of stress at the moment and it looks like I have wrongly taken a post personally Once again I'm sorry x

Jen

Honest_John_666

wongawonga wrote: »

They deny liability when rogue distributors let them down.

http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/kleeneze.co.uk

Common practice I'm afraid :mad:

I had a person dropping leaflets at my place many moons ago & she told me to go & **** off. Called their HQ, explained everything that had happened I was promised a call back & you guessed it no one did.

This person was a scruffly looking 'lady' & delivering leaflets approx 8.30am & when I asked her what this leaflet was for I screwed it up. She told me she'd just left a job as a solicitor :eek: :eek: :eek: Then she got angry & swore at me & IN FRONT OF MY 7 Year old daughter :mad: :mad: :mad: yes what another quailty person

Another reason why I hate :mad: them with a passion :mad:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

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This is cut straight from Kleeneze distributors website:-

How long does it take to deliver and collect the Kleeneaze catalogues?

A typical retailers week is indicated below -

Monday Deliver 200 Kleeneze catalogues 2 Hours
Only correct on an estate type area

Tuesday

Wednesday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
I would say 3 hours myself

Thursday Deliver 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2 Hours
As above BUT where did these other 200 cats come from??? Your never ever going to pick up 200 cats from 200 dropped. In some cases all have been lost to a rival agent who has stolen them

Friday Deliver previous weeks Kleeneze products 1½ Hours
Thats dependant on how many deliverys you have normally 10/15 per hour is the delivery rate

Saturday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
as above

Sunday
With the national average of £1.00 per Kleeneze catalogue there is £400 worth of orders taken Total 10½ Hours
The average is actually a £1 per books on pick up NOT put out - Some big differneces there!!!

So Will I earn on that?
Not a lot

If you carry on and complete 400 catalogues a week over the 4 week sales period this will amass to 4 x 400 = £1600 of orders
Only if your VERY VERY VERY lucky & I very much doubt that many if any nowadays do this

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All sounds lovely doesn't it?

No mention of sorting soaking wet and muddled up books and replacing labels, only 2.5 hours to get 200 in? only if every single one is on the doorstep, not a chance. They'd need a minimum of another 50 books to cover losses at least, it presupposes £1 book very unlikely nowadays. Then there is 1.5 hours to get the orders out - triple that at least.

Of course this is just one month - can they keep this up every month? well they can as long as they have no life , if they do want a life or perhaps a relax in front of the TV after a day at work they are idle and lazy . God help them if they don't want to give up a night for a meeting![/QUOTE]

Jeanetteathome

missterryshopper wrote: »

Somebody has to pay for the Oversea,s Jollies like the recent one in New York.:D

Well this is it - when I sold a £2 plastic hair trap** I often wondered how 42 p went to me , a sum went to the various uplines all the way to the grand wizard or what ever he is called. THEN out of that comes the cars, the conferences abroad etc. You can see full well why some of the stuff is the most ludicrously over priced, were they selling tons of the stuff then it would be low priced but each year the prices rise.

£15 for a plastic sweeper like you'd give child to play with , £4.99 in the bargain shops the same item. It was embarrassing to take the stuff round - many people bought once but never bought again , but you still had to drop them a book just in case.

**always came back, no way of fixing it to the plughole so it just floated off, lovely to do a 10 mile round trip to refund that.

Jeanetteathome

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

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This is cut straight from Kleeneze distributors website:-

How long does it take to deliver and collect the Kleeneaze catalogues?

A typical retailers week is indicated below -

Monday Deliver 200 Kleeneze catalogues 2 Hours
Only correct on an estate type area

Tuesday

Wednesday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
I would say 3 hours myself

Thursday Deliver 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2 Hours
As above BUT where did these other 200 cats come from??? Your never ever going to pick up 200 cats from 200 dropped. In some cases all have been lost to a rival agent who has stolen them

Friday Deliver previous weeks Kleeneze products 1½ Hours
Thats dependant on how many deliverys you have normally 10/15 per hour is the delivery rate

Saturday Collect 200 Kleeneze Catalogues 2½ hours
as above

Sunday
With the national average of £1.00 per Kleeneze catalogue there is £400 worth of orders taken Total 10½ Hours
The average is actually a £1 per books on pick up NOT put out - Some big differneces there!!!

So Will I earn on that?
Not a lot

If you carry on and complete 400 catalogues a week over the 4 week sales period this will amass to 4 x 400 = £1600 of orders
Only if your VERY VERY VERY lucky & I very much doubt that many if any nowadays do this

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All sounds lovely doesn't it?

No mention of sorting soaking wet and muddled up books and replacing labels, only 2.5 hours to get 200 in? only if every single one is on the doorstep, not a chance. They'd need a minimum of another 50 books to cover losses at least, it presupposes £1 book very unlikely nowadays. Then there is 1.5 hours to get the orders out - triple that at least.

Of course this is just one month - can they keep this up every month? well they can as long as they have no life , if they do want a life or perhaps a relax in front of the TV after a day at work they are idle and lazy . God help them if they don't want to give up a night for a meeting!

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I would love to do multi quote like that!

Good point about the other 200 - if they collect 200 Wednesday night , no way on earth would they get all 200 so they'd need another 200 books or they'd either put out less , plus they'd have to sort and prepare all those books that same evening ,.

So they've been at work all day and get in to start the kleeneze round then sit up till late sorting the books out, forget the pleasant sit at the table like they show on the promo video - try 200 soaking wet cat pee stinking books covered in muck and bits of dead leaves off the driveways and steps. Thats the grim reality and all for peanuts.


They are called lazy by uplines because they don't want to spend 25+ hours a week doing kleeneze. Plus at the end of it there is little chance of them getting £1 book - 20p more like. Doing all that for 4 weeks and barely getting £250 profit out of which has to come all the costs and fuel etc.

Jeanetteathome

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Common practice I'm afraid :mad:

I had a person dropping leaflets at my place many moons ago & she told me to go & **** off. Called their HQ, explained everything that had happened I was promised a call back & you guessed it no one did.

This person was a scruffly looking 'lady' & delivering leaflets approx 8.30am & when I asked her what this leaflet was for I screwed it up. She told me she'd just left a job as a solicitor :eek: :eek: :eek: Then she got angry & swore at me & IN FRONT OF MY 7 Year old daughter :mad: :mad: :mad: yes what another quailty person

Another reason why I hate :mad: them with a passion :mad:

Regards
John

Whats this to do with kleeneze? or have I missed something? I don't understand it with all the moving things all over it.

Honest_John_666

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Whats this to do with kleeneze? or have I missed something? I don't understand it with all the moving things all over it.

sorry in reply to WW

Regards
John

They deny liability when rogue distributors let them down.

http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/kleeneze.co.uk

Honest_John_666

I would love to do multi quote like that!
Hmmm.......... not sure what I done there???

Good point about the other 200 - if they collect 200 Wednesday night , no way on earth would they get all 200 so they'd need another 200 books or they'd either put out less , plus they'd have to sort and prepare all those books that same evening ,.
So how much had it cost you so far then??? Therefore what your net spend so far??? This is only if your very lucky & haven't had your 200 books stolen

So they've been at work all day and get in to start the kleeneze round then sit up till late sorting the books out, forget the pleasant sit at the table like they show on the promo video - try 200 soaking wet cat pee stinking books covered in muck and bits of dead leaves off the driveways and steps. Thats the grim reality and all for peanuts.
Couldn't of put it better myself, but not to worry follow this 5 year plan & you'll have a Ferrari like Gavin Scott. They've all got these you know!


They are called lazy by uplines because they don't want to spend 25+ hours a week doing kleeneze. Plus at the end of it there is little chance of them getting £1 book - 20p more like. Doing all that for 4 weeks and barely getting £250 profit out of which has to come all the costs and fuel etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes everybody is lazy......not. Where are all these PRO Kleeneze people now then???

Jeanetteathome

We need to look at this fundamental issue for distributors highlighted in this idea that one could get 200 books in on one night and turn them round to get ALL 200 out for the following night which is what is mooted by this distributors recruitment website.

Sounds easy 200 collected in Wednesday night - 2.5 hours ---- 200 delivered Thursday night 2 hours.

That's what's written.

The problem is quite frankly that they will never be able to get all 200 back in on the Wednesday night, even if they took the time it would actually take which is more like 3 + hours. If people aren't in they leave a note, if the book isn't out they have to know the door , now I have heard training where uplines say *don't knock the door put a note through* the problem is they NEED the book back that night . So they knock and wait , talk to the person who goes away to look for it , thats ten mins gone.

Out of the 200 realistically on their first drops they might get back 120 if they are lucky that night - 10% , 20 books have gone for good, discarded, thrown out, never recovered regadless of knocking and notes through the door. Seems a lot but this figure of 10% loss PER DROP is widely held in kleeneze but you don't learn this at start up. But that still leaves 60 books out there, they'll probably get them back the next evening or the one after that . BUT they needed 200 the FOLLOWING night - so they get extra books at £33 for 50 possibly two boxes.

Now they are in Distributor world - a never ending round of searching for *sticky* books as it's called , endlessly going way out of their way trying to get back these lost books whilst at the same time putting out the books to new houses. Now the two hours putting out (more like three) has become 4 as they need to go back to the first area and walk round the houses trying to collect the lost books. This will be repeated EVERY night now - forget the 1.5 hours delivering , it will become 3 as they need to go back to all the houses that didn't give the books back on the last two collection nights.

It doesn't take rocket science to see where this is going - and endless round of trying to chase lost books, trying to find new houses to put them , trying to catch people in to deliver said goods to.

Now do this for a month and repeat the following month , and again the next month. Most people last one month and see the utter futility of it - especially if they only got a tiny fraction of the orders that they were expecting.