Kleeneeze or Betterware?

ColinAllCars

Lots of Kleeneze comments on here. Anyone got anything contructive to say about Betterware good or bad ?

Lady_Python

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Can we get back on thread to the core subject Kleenezee or Betterware.:D

New Kleeneze lens started on Squidoo.
http://www.squidoo.com/why-kleeneze-can-make-you-cry

If you read my last post properly, you would have seen I mentioned Betterware in the last paragraph.

I applied for the Territory Sales Agent. They quickly contacted me by e-mail and about a week later I had a phone call from one of their uplines. I was quite surprised that to be a TSA you have to have very high orders minimum £700 per order if I got it right.

Even putting out 2500 books, with the economic climate the way it is, one would be hard-pressed to even get a fraction of that.

Being an ordinary distributor is much easier, yet when you read their website, the only difference between being an ordinary distributor and a TSA is the TSA puts through their own orders via the internet. Exactly what I do now but I don't have to hit silly figures to get it.

So, do I think Betterware is better (no pun intended) than Kleeneze? Not really as Betterware aren't exactly honest and upfront either. Nowhere on their website does it say the target a TSA has to hit.

As soon as I was told the target, I cut the phonecall short. I immediately knew Betterware was not for me, at least not as a TSA.

Ypaymore

According to their site a normal Betterware distributor is expected to

Work a minimum number of hours, usually around 10 – 12 each week.

Make a commitment to deliver a minimum of 250 catalogues a week

Pass their orders to there Co-ordinator /Team leader

And after a week or so the Co-ordinator delivers the goods to you and then you deliver them to your customers and collect their money

Distributors earn a minimum of 20% of their sales plus bonuses

Its free to join and there are absolutely no charges for catalogues, stationery, training or support!


http://www.betterware.co.uk/content2.aspx?postingid=Distributor_Information


Anyone doing this care to comment and how their doing. Are they paying cash up front now as someone suggested earlier?

Morethanconcerned

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Lots of Kleeneze comments on here. Anyone got anything contructive to say about Betterware good or bad ?

Have you? surely it's up to others to contribute if they have something to say? I and others can only speak from personal experience.

In the ethos of the actual forum - that is giving people idea to up their income especially if times are hard - I would personally tell anyone to AVOID Kleeneze unless you have money to spare possibly for upto 12 months to pay for it all while you make nothing and then ( and only then) you might just see a small return . But more often not.

As for Bettaware with no start up fees and costs it seems great but I know of Bettaware agents who have been doing it years , keeping the very best rounds, the only rounds new folk would get are the ones that several others have done and dropped out of because they don't pay. 200 Bettaware books round here will earn them just pennies, like the kleeneze books , it's just a crap area for catalogues. So they always have that round ready for the next bod that comes along. Are there any decent Bettaware rounds going?

Morethanconcerned

Ypaymore wrote: »

According to their site a normal Betterware distributor is expected to

Work a minimum number of hours, usually around 10 – 12 each week.

Make a commitment to deliver a minimum of 250 catalogues a week

Pass their orders to there Co-ordinator /Team leader

And after a week or so the Co-ordinator delivers the goods to you and then you deliver them to your customers and collect their money

Distributors earn a minimum of 20% of their sales plus bonuses

Its free to join and there are absolutely no charges for catalogues, stationery, training or support!


http://www.betterware.co.uk/content2.aspx?postingid=Distributor_Information


Anyone doing this care to comment and how their doing. Are they paying cash up front now as someone suggested earlier?

As I said in my post there are going to be areas that are just rubbish - imagine doing 10 hours work and getting £20 in orders? thats £4 - even in a superb area are people really going to order tens of pounds worth of stuff everytime you go round?

lozza1985

We had a betterware book delivered the other day...and the catalogues look rubbish in my opinion, doesn't inspire you to want to order anything, the kleeneze ones look better. Which is saying something lol.

The usual kleeneze bloke who delivers to our road came again the same week....he always has a long winded note in his brochure....this time its along the lines of "look through, order something for £2 or £3 they'll be something that you like for that price and some of the money goes to macmilan cancer"

Hmm - no, if we get *told* to order, then we won't, even if we were going to. We won't order from him again, (even though he's a nice bloke) for that reason, and I'm sure many other people will feel the same. It says no-where how much money goes to charity, presumably its him giving the money....and how am I to know if he has or if he's just using it as a ploy to get people to order!

Lady_Python

Ypaymore wrote: »

According to their site a normal Betterware distributor is expected to

Work a minimum number of hours, usually around 10 – 12 each week.

Make a commitment to deliver a minimum of 250 catalogues a week

Pass their orders to there Co-ordinator /Team leader

And after a week or so the Co-ordinator delivers the goods to you and then you deliver them to your customers and collect their money

Distributors earn a minimum of 20% of their sales plus bonuses

Its free to join and there are absolutely no charges for catalogues, stationery, training or support!


http://www.betterware.co.uk/content2.aspx?postingid=Distributor_Information


Anyone doing this care to comment and how their doing. Are they paying cash up front now as someone suggested earlier?

Here's what it says about being a TSA.

Here's what a Territory Sales Agent does:

• Deliver and collect catalogues and orders
• Process customer orders
• Take delivery of goods from Betterware and distribute to customers
• Take responsibility for banking and paperwork
• Organise returns and recycling

OK, the commission is higher - 30% but it doesn't say that you have to have £700 minimum orders all the time.

It was a shame really because up until I was told that, I was quite interested.

I had ideas on working the two alongside each other.

I did tell the woman that I may consider distributing in the future if the Avon doesn't work out so left it open.

Betterware does bring back memories though. I remember as a little girl, the Betterware Man used to call with his brown case full of goodies - the days before catalogues. We always got a free sample from him. Sometimes it was specs cleaning cloths (which were quite good), other times little tins of floor polish. Mum always bought something small from him as she used to feel sorry for him. We had the same chap for at least 15 years. He used to come round on average once every three or four months.

ColinAllCars

Lady_Python wrote: »

Betterware does bring back memories though. I remember as a little girl, the Betterware Man used to call with his brown case full of goodies - the days before catalogues. We always got a free sample from him. Sometimes it was specs cleaning cloths (which were quite good), other times little tins of floor polish. Mum always bought something small from him as she used to feel sorry for him. We had the same chap for at least 15 years. He used to come round on average once every three or four months.

Those were the days !

Lady_Python

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Those were the days !

They were. Definitely brings back happy memories

Jeanetteathome

I've read through the forum here and would like to share my experiences Having taken early retirement as the company I worked for was in difficulties I came across Kleeneze as I was at a loss as to what to do with my time , we were at an event with my grandchildren and the parents of one of the other children talked to us and gave us a DVD and brochure out of their car. At first I thought it was too good to be true but with an open mind we had the couple
come round and see us. We were very impressed with the presentation and we signed up straight away with 200 books which we were told was the way to get a head start. Listening to the presentation we thought with my full week availiable it would be a great way to earn a living and as many examples given to us seemed to be part time we were sure we could do this.

I won't go into the normal detail about dropping the books suffice to say we had our fair share of problems, losses, snotty people and other distributors, one of them on the same team as us and though we talked to him and our upline did he still went round all our streets so it was always a jiggle to see who could get there first. We managed 10% first couple of periods, we'd got back our initial payment but it had cost a bit to do with new books and bits and peices. We were assured this was all normal and others we spoke to agreed, already we could see a diffrence between the presentation and the reality but we carried on. We'd been asked almost straight away to come to a training meeting and meet the team and get somne training to help us with our business. But it became clear very soon that it was nothing to do with the books and everything to do with recruiting others. They showed other peoples income cheques and gave tips on how to recruit. Coming from the meetings it seemed so easy and almost a no brainer to do it and double our income. Liasing with our upline we organised newspaper adverts, some shop adverts locally and got some leaflets. There were cost implications but as we'd seen at the meetings and reading the various testimonials this was the way to get the big income cheques and to get on the international confrences , though we thought we'd aim
realisitically for the Autumn Conference, I had plenty of time and judging from what the uplines were saying it would be easy to get gold in the time available. We had only a few calls from our Paper advert, buying the paper I noticed there were several others in there too, I'd spent quite a while putting out leaflets in a nearby town and we got a few calls.
Though we sent out some DVD packs and phoned the people they weren't interested, we went to more meetings and a sunday seminar with a big name in kleeneze. All saying much the same thing really. We carried on regardless, still doing the books and once we got to 13 % on our retail alone but usually it was just over 10%. In time we did get to go round someones house and present to them, the circles and the catalogues, of course as we'd been told we didn't dwell on the negatives, but only upon the positives. After about four presentations we actually got someone to sign up and we thought we'd got it made. We explained the books and sorted them out, but after a week or so they hadn't done anything, we phoned and talked to them but they were evasive. We left them to it for a while whilst we concetrated on
other leads and after a few weeks signed up someone else. The first people after 4 weeks had done nothing, we phoned, we texted, nothing. Move on our upline said. We questioned them closely "Oh it's quite common for people not to put the books out" . No mention of this before or indeed the amount of calling and going round houses etc needed for just one sign up. Turns out the upline was seeing several people a week abnd signing one up every two weeks or so. Each meeting had new people introduced every time, they didn't like the fact we hadn't brought anyone along regardless of how hard we had tried.

All in all in 11 months we signed up 5 people after seeing and presenting to about 20 people some of them very far away, out of that 2 did 10% after a while but little after that 2 did a bit here and there for a few months and one never did anything. We supported them as best we could giving a new box of books for the people getting 10% and other things like bags etc They all dropped away now, the thought of endlessly going through all this month after month as well as doing the catalogues fills me with dread, we've seen very little if any return for all
the investment and at each down turn we learn a little more from uplines and others, it seems like we've been kept in the dark so we wouldn't point out any problmes. When the last of our team dropped out I was feeling really down and our upline said I shouldn't be so negative and should just carry on. But carry on to what? To do more of the same? I'm no better off now than when I started yes I've met some decent people on my round but many I came across in the sponsoring were to be honest never really up to the struggle of putting out the books hours at a time and sorting out all the little niggly problems you come across in this game, some of the people we went to see were awful and one was quite threatening.

With winter upon us now and the Xmas books as good as finished , they been out so long everyone has seen them, I can't face having to get all new Spring books and going out much more. It wouldn't be so bad if you could talk through any problems or doubts without feeling like you are raining on everyones parade. We've been to regular *sizzles* and had to sit with people who we'd never give the time of day to normally, it certainly seems to attract some weird people, even after a few of these you realise no one sticks with this for more than five mins and the uplines know this.
They think they are going to be rich one day but they'd be better off getting better jobs really, they never seem to have the money they are always on about. My husbands wages keeps our house yet some of the people have quite low paid work and think this will lead them to a better life when all it's doing is draining their families of money it seems.
Now the wetaher is clearing my upline is keen for me to press on with the catalogues , they reckon over Xmas people will be delighted to see them , they won't and I don't fancy knocking doors for them over the holiday. I just don't know what to do with it all. Having spent so much with really nothing to show for it, all I have done is met some people and got fit by walking all hours.

Sorry to have rambled on but it feels great to get it off my chest I wish I had read all this months ago. Suddenly I'm finding people that have gone through what I've been through and it isn't something about me. I've done my best and my husband has supported me but I feel I can't do this much longer.

Jeanette