Kleeneeze or Betterware?

wongawonga

Saw an advert just now advertising a job seeking people to be Business Developer,s, Business Coach,s,and planner,s.(All rolled into one)

Said amongst other other things.

They offered Stability and Security.

And that many people doing the job already were earning over £10,000 a month.

Turned out to be an ad for Kleeneze Distributor,s self employed working from home.

They really ought to give some guidance to the field about the preposterous earnings/comments being advertised to entrap people to join.

PatrickD

Decided to look deeper into Kleeneze to find out if all the negativity is true on here. So, I contacted some local distributors and asked them about their businesses. I let them know I'm with a different company and had no wish to join Kleeneze, so they didnt have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I would join.
Seems like business is going very well for these people, they're building a very good retailing business and they are getting to grips with sponsoring and team building. They say that the products have improved quite a bit lately and they are all very happy to be making money.
So, its not all doom and gloom as presented on here.

Have a great evening!

Pat

missterryshopper

PatrickD wrote: »

Decided to look deeper into Kleeneze to find out if all the negativity is true on here. So, I contacted some local distributors and asked them about their businesses. I let them know I'm with a different company and had no wish to join Kleeneze, so they didnt have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I would join.
Seems like business is going very well for these people, they're building a very good retailing business and they are getting to grips with sponsoring and team building. They say that the products have improved quite a bit lately and they are all very happy to be making money.
So, its not all doom and gloom as presented on here.

Have a great evening!

Pat

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You didnt honestly them to tell you otherwise did you ? How many people did you call in your survey ?

NeverInDebt

Lol who are you trying to kid? Rose coloured speculators off now Pat

You dont have talk bull

He probably asked one person who was using the brain washing machine on another [STRIKE]guinea pig[/STRIKE] correction fool whilst he conducted his scientific survey. Yougov here we come

PatrickD wrote: »

Decided to look deeper into Kleeneze to find out if all the negativity is true on here. So, I contacted some local distributors and asked them about their businesses. I let them know I'm with a different company and had no wish to join Kleeneze, so they didnt have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I would join.
Seems like business is going very well for these people, they're building a very good retailing business and they are getting to grips with sponsoring and team building. They say that the products have improved quite a bit lately and they are all very happy to be making money.
So, its not all doom and gloom as presented on here.

Have a great evening!

Pat

wongawonga

PatrickD wrote: »

Decided to look deeper into Kleeneze to find out if all the negativity is true on here. So, I contacted some local distributors and asked them about their businesses. I let them know I'm with a different company and had no wish to join Kleeneze, so they didnt have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I would join.
Seems like business is going very well for these people, they're building a very good retailing business and they are getting to grips with sponsoring and team building. They say that the products have improved quite a bit lately and they are all very happy to be making money.
So, its not all doom and gloom as presented on here.

Have a great evening!

Pat

Just imagine the call.

Q. Hi i am Patrick i am with another business opportunity and i am interested in how yours is going, i have no wish to join you , so you dont have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I will join.

The active distributor who is busy recruiting etc etc recieving the call is obviosly not going to say. That business is declining, retention is difficult,products are poor, i am not making much money are they?

So its back to the drawing board and your opportunity,s thread Pat . Woops its been removed by abuse because of the Green Brigades Antics.

Jeanetteathome

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I do see your point Jeanetteathome but i would find out what people want and if they say its £200 - £500 then i would explain that everyone builds their Business at their own rate and the more time and effort you can put in the quicker you will achieve these results and explain about the teambuilding which can leverage their time and effort.
I also explain each area is different and say i can only relate my own experience in my area.
Earning £200 a month is quite feasible with brochures through doors but not overnight, if someone wants to turn the brochures around several times a week they are obviously going to find customers quicker than someone that just puts them out once a week.
There are other ways to find customers as well, leaving brochures in work places/school tea rooms etc where multiple people will see it, it all depends on what you want and how quickly. I was never successful when i did that with Kleeneze though probably cos they already had several being put through their home addresses

As i haven't done Kleeneze for a few years i don't know what its like now, i can only relate my experience of finding customers with my current Biz BUT the concept does still work but with Kleeneze products and the poor reputation that follows them because of so many agents in some areas and the Farepak incident i can't say.

Debbie

Debbie

The point I was making is that the top players and a vast majority of the rest use the comments I highlighted in my first post, earn from day one, earn £200 - £500 easily, takes a few hours . This is aside from the classics like *see more of the family* which is rubbish as this takes every moment of your spare time and *stop using expensive gyms* as doing kleeneze will get you fit!! how pathetic is that?

All those aside , if *anyone* actually told new recruits just what was actually involved I don't think anyone in their right mind would sign up. The very kind of people that even answer the ads aren't the kind that look too closely anyway and that's half the problem , anxious desperate people make for easy prey.

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

Decided to look deeper into Kleeneze to find out if all the negativity is true on here. So, I contacted some local distributors and asked them about their businesses. I let them know I'm with a different company and had no wish to join Kleeneze, so they didnt have to put on any kind of show for me in the hope I would join.
Seems like business is going very well for these people, they're building a very good retailing business and they are getting to grips with sponsoring and team building. They say that the products have improved quite a bit lately and they are all very happy to be making money.
So, its not all doom and gloom as presented on here.

Have a great evening!

Pat

How unutterably sad Pat, very very sad indeed. You did this for a week a decade ago and look what you are doing now , scurrying around trying to justify why you are here. Are there no other threads where you can get attention rather than this transparent and frankly deeply sad and pathetic attempt at attention?

Really?

I can't see why you can't start a thread on MLM - if you won't I will start one and you can be nice to people there and see how long it lasts eh?

Jeanetteathome

JennyJewell wrote: »

Thank you for your post Jeanetteathome - it is very much appreciated and I actually totally agree with you on this one
I have just come in from work, even though I finish at half 3, because I have been reading up on school policies and various behaviours and conditions of special needs - I am dedicated to my job

With Kleeneze I am fortunate to be earning approx. £200 a month
I have a very big decision to make - I think I am more nervous about letting my family down in regards to what I could potentially do for them if I got stuck in and built a good income from my Kleeneze business but selfishly I have wanted to teach for such a long time. My family would probably want me to go for my dreams however and more likely not be concerned with me building a business for them.

Thank you again x
Jen

I can't imagine any of your family will be upset if you follow your dreams and get a degree and PGCE. For the life of me I can't imagine they think you'll be on 30K anytime in the next 50yrs with kleeneze, you don't really believe that do you? Even getting to Gold is seen as an achievement now and gets holidays , when I did it it was Bronze you had to get to.

As we noted here a few weeks ago , the top recruiters in the UK got 129 signed up last year, yet their business only rose up the plan by the equivalent of a single gold level. I know of bods who were in our team and they recruited hundreds over the years and still languish at gold (just) while i was there they boasted how it's the best pension plan as they really believed they get to bronze and get residual income.

Lets face facts, you can spend the next few months doing the catalogues and watching the orders fall as folk tire of the stuff, then there is the sponsoring , a few good people then they fall away, up and down up and down. In two years you'll be out of pocket and in so deep that getting out will be even harder.

Whereas in that time you could be teaching armed with a degree and PGCE. You might be able to earn a few quid with kleeneze in the meanwhile but in the long run you'll be out of pocket. Just don't fall for the rubbish that you'll be loaded in the future , few will get that far now plus there is the very real risk that Findel will lose whatever little value it has on the stock market and be sold off. Kleeneze is the one bit of their operation that costs more than it makes , it has however prime land, it'll be sold and closed.

With the job you already have you have the requirements to do entry to teaching and PGCE at Derby university, that was the first one I looked at.

Jeanetteathome

wongawonga wrote: »

Saw an advert just now advertising a job seeking people to be Business Developer,s, Business Coach,s,and planner,s.(All rolled into one)

Said amongst other other things.

They offered Stability and Security.

And that many people doing the job already were earning over £10,000 a month.

Turned out to be an ad for Kleeneze Distributor,s self employed working from home.

They really ought to give some guidance to the field about the preposterous earnings/comments being advertised to entrap people to join.

This kind of advertising has been mentioned before, they see no problem what so ever with it for some reason. Daft titles like Business development , yet for all the fancy title it's still pulling a trolley of books round the streets to folk who are disinterested at best. Then it's putting out adverts like that carefully not mentioning kleeneze to recruit others to do it.

JennyJewell

Hi
Can I just point out that the post here seems to have been edited - the original post that had been quoted was a post from Debbie to me from a year and a half ago and was actually from a WIKANIKO thread so no-one was promoting Wikaniko in the kleeneze/betterware thread, it has been plucked out and used on here and not promoted by Debbie on here.

I think Debbie deserves an apology to be honest - shame someone has chosen to edit what they originally quoted. If you are going to have a debate at least make it fair.

Many thanx,
Jen

niftyone wrote: »

Yes Indeed.:D


You highlight yet another spammy type of post from one the Wikaniko Green Army promoting the benefits of there business opportunity in this Kleeneze/Betterware thread.