Lib Dems & Tories... Can they work together?

Spartacus_Mills

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Can they offer PR? Thats what they need to get the LibDems on board. Again, we're back to whats politically possible.

I don't think the LibDems will form a coalition with either side.

There are alot of stupid posts in this thread however this one makes a good point.

I have said prior to the election, as a Lib Dem, that we should let the largest party govern and sit on our hands for the Queens Speech and the budget.

I do not see why we should join with the Tories even though we have alot of common ground on areas of civil liberties and the surveillance state. We certainly cannot join with Labour as they are too illiberal and, remember, we started off as liberals.

So we go through the motions. Let Cameron form a minority government and hope it is massively unpopular. The risk is that the Tories form a minority government and do relatively well going to the country again in the next 18 months and seal a mandate.

For Clegg and the Lib Dems the long game has to be to replace Labour as the force of the centre left. Last night made that dream unlikely.

Spartacus_Mills

ninky wrote: »

well let's see what happens. let clegg show his true colours. someone who cares about policies or someone who cares about power for the sake of power.

steel refused to get into bed with ted in 1974. will we now see the big clegg con(servative) revealed?

i'm just really really glad i didn't vote lib dem. think i would feel sick now.

You've really thought about this, haven't you.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

nearlynew

None of them give a flying f*ck about the country.

All they want is a bit of power.

Lying thieves. All of them.

Spartacus_Mills

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Try reading the lib dem facebook page.......

Clegg will have a full blown mutiny on his hands if he does a deal with the Tories...

http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=5883973269&share_id=115124051859664&comments=1#!/libdems

Facebook means squat.

Up and down the country we work with the Tories at local level, as we do with Labour, and it works for the benefit of the voters. For example we have brought sanity to Birmingham after years of Labour misrule.

Clegg has to go through the motions. I suspect a deal will be done with neither party.

Spartacus_Mills

nearlynew wrote: »

None of them give a flying f*ck about the country.

All they want is a bit of power.

Lying thieves. All of them.

Cannot agree. Most politicians, of all parties, are decent honourable people who want to improve the lives of the electors. They just have a different means of doing it. I do not care for Gordon Brown as PM but I do not doubt his sincerity and that of the other party leaders.

I would exclude the BNP as they are scum.

Cat695

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Can they offer PR? Thats what they need to get the LibDems on board. Again, we're back to whats politically possible.

I don't think the LibDems will form a coalition with either side.

Then Labour have truly lost and the Tories can try as a minority party as they after all have the most votes/seats.

amcluesent

"One for you and two for me..."
"£ thousands?"
"£ millions, dear boy, millions"

nearlynew

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Cannot agree. Most politicians, of all parties, are decent honourable people who want to improve the lives of the electors. They just have a different means of doing it. I do not care for Gordon Brown as PM but I do not doubt his sincerity and that of the other party leaders.

I would exclude the BNP as they are scum.

........ Oh dear.

You really have been "got at" haven'tyou?

Soubrette

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Cannot agree. Most politicians, of all parties, are decent honourable people who want to improve the lives of the electors. They just have a different means of doing it. I do not care for Gordon Brown as PM but I do not doubt his sincerity and that of the other party leaders.

I would exclude the BNP as they are scum.

If that were true then politicians would not continue vote to improve their own lifestyle/pension/income to well beyond that of its own electorate (and still apparently feel hard done by).

They would make every effort to vote with their own consciences

They would make every effort to research and be present at debates (through-out the whole thing - not just the vote at the end).

They wouldn't have time for other jobs.

Are they ordinary people - yes, that unfortunately means that most put their own concerns above that of their electorate a lot of the time, which is why we, their constituents should keep a close eye on them. A bit like normal work principles, the observed work a lot harder than those that are assumed able to get on with it.

I agree with your comment about the BNP and to some extent I feel that about the people who voted for them.

Sou

Rochdale_Pioneers

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

So we go through the motions. Let Cameron form a minority government and hope it is massively unpopular. The risk is that the Tories form a minority government and do relatively well going to the country again in the next 18 months and seal a mandate.

For Clegg and the Lib Dems the long game has to be to replace Labour as the force of the centre left. Last night made that dream unlikely.

For Cameron to become leader of a minority government AND no deal with the LibDems possible, we have to see Brown lose a confidence motion in Parliament. Brown will not resign his minority government to let in another minority government unless forced.

The LibDems MUST have PR. Without it the party is going to fade - no big gains after this much publicity makes it almost impossible that they can do so in future under FPTP. Cameron can't offer PR. Labour can, but dare Clegg take it? A broad left loose coalition could ramrod PR past a minority Tory government anyway, they'd have enough votes.