General State of Human Nature

vyle

Takoda wrote: »

I think that the environment has a lot to do with how the people in it behave.

I very seldom go to MacDonalds - usually only when pushed for time and 'real food' is not an option.

On the odd occasion when I am there I expect the following to happen

1) I do not expect the till person to listen when I give my full order. They are inattentive and you always have to repeat some of it even when it is really simple.

2) I do not expect them to serve me quickly. Despite burgers and the like being 'fast food' the fast bit doesn't apply to the service.

3) I do not expect the food to be hot. If it is - great - but more often than not it isn't.

4) I do not expect the dining experience to be a pleasant one. Parents seem to think that everyone likes their child/ren running around screaming and shouting,standing on chairs and tables. I am often quite glad to finish my food and escape.

5) I know that someone will come and sweep around near my table while I am still there. They also scrape the incredibly noisy chairs and deafen me.

6) I also expect 85% of the clientele to be chavvy, loud, obnoxious, sweary, foul people without any manners or any respect for others.

Now I know all or at least most of these things will happen when I walk in that door. That's why going there is a last resort.

Therefore I don't post threads on here complaining about it because the above is just something you have to put up with if you choose to eat at the Golden Arches.

I know that if I choose to eat in a decent restaurant I will have an altogether different dining experience. That's why McDs is always a last resort.

So I guess my point is that you have to moderate your expectations to match the standard of your dining choice.

That is true. I'm going to McDs tonight but only because of time constraints. My partner and I are going to see Rocky Horror and doors open at 7:30. He gets home from work at 6, and the earliest bus into town is 6:10. The next is at 6:40.

If I cook and eat when he gets home, we may not get into town in time, and we don't have time to go to a proper restaurant, meaning we'll be nabbing some fast food.

I may pop into an independent, thinking about it, though, as there's a nice place next door to them which is a tad more expensive, but it is sure worth it.

Nukumai

Equaliser123 wrote: »

People talking and having a view about immigration does not equal either bigotry or racism.

I agree - though it depends on the nature of those views and how they are expressed.

Equaliser123 wrote: »

I really wish people would stop playing that card.

If you are referring to me, I would suggest that you re-read Laz123's comment. And note the part about Eastern Europeans "coming over to take over the country"; and "bringing their bad manners with them"; and the bit where they are described as "trash".

Nukumai

Laz123 wrote: »

You're not Gordon Brown, are you?

No - thank goodness!

BillTrac

I avoid McDonalds as much as possible, although I will sometimes grab a coffee (to drink elsewhere). Even then I will not go in any when it is in the school holidays or the schools are kicking out. And even when the schools are open you get the pre-school lot. The noise is horrendous, with kids running around and mothers yelling at little kylie-britney-champagne to shut the f**k up and eat her kids meal so she can get outside for a fag.......

jimbms

BillTrac wrote: »

I avoid McDonalds as much as possible, although I will sometimes grab a coffee (to drink elsewhere). Even then I will not go in any when it is in the school holidays or the schools are kicking out. And even when the schools are open you get the pre-school lot. The noise is horrendous, with kids running around and mothers yelling at little kylie-britney-champagne to shut the f**k up and eat her kids meal so she can get outside for a fag.......

hehehehe Isn't it a coincidence that it is not only the food that is the same in every McDonalds :rotfl:BTW same as yourself the coffee is the only thing that I regard as safe to eat there

Equaliser123

Nukumai wrote: »

If you are referring to me, I would suggest that you re-read Laz123's comment. And note the part about Eastern Europeans "coming over to take over the country"; and "bringing their bad manners with them"; and the bit where they are described as "trash".

It may be badly written, trash or anything else you want to call it. But I don't see it being racist or biggoted.

OnTheUp_2-2

DebtHater wrote: »

But, when you think about it, doesnt that sum up the young modern age parent? They all seem to bring their kids up like that these days

I was brought up to have respect and to think of others, but was also told to treat people how they treated me. So if someone was rude, they should expect to get it back, simple as.

Like when I am driving out and about, and I let someone cross or let someone pull out, how many of them dont even bother to acknowledge you! I wouldnt even dream of ignoring someone who let me out!

terrible bit of generalising there eh??

No not "all" modern age parents bring up their children that way. I would class myself as modern age, I am 28 with a 4 and 5 year old and children have been brought up with honesty, respect and excellent manners.

Both my daughters always hold doors open for adults, even though my youngest can barely get it open in the first place. They would not hesitate to help someone if they dropped something and. I would hope I am teaching my children to rise above rudeness as two wrong certainly do not make a right and I would not like them to be equally rude back to someone in public, I think it far more dignified to rise above it.

Its a shame that you have this opinion of "all" modern parents rather than a selection, but then an older generation often feel they had a superior upbringing "in my day..."

flashnazia

Laz123 wrote: »

I'm afraid our society is changing fast, and not for the good. I'm the same as you. Brought up to be respectful of others, raised kids the same way.

Now, I'm not racist, I'm married to a Kenyan. But with all the East Europeans et al coming over to take over the country they bring their bad manners with them. Spitting on pavements, not queuing for buses, taking two seats, not giving a monkey's fart for anyone else.

So is it worth it to keep up the good work only to compete against all that trash?

So I suppose your Kenyan spouse has also come over to take over the country?

Is he or she trash too?

Or perhaps you have been misunderstood?

Nukumai

Equaliser123 wrote: »

It may be badly written, trash or anything else you want to call it. But I don't see it being racist or biggoted.

I wasn't inferring racism; I mentioned bigotry.

And on the basis that you understand what the term bigotry means, then I can only assume that my personal values differ from yours and Laz123's.

Equaliser123

Nukumai wrote: »

I wasn't inferring racism; I mentioned bigotry.

And on the basis that you understand what the term bigotry means, then I can only assume that my personal values differ from yours and Laz123's.

You know absolutely nothing about my "personal values" so please don't try and take the moral high ground.

I'm not too sure who you think you are and why you are so presumptious to call people "bigots" and assume that those who disagree with you have questionable personal values.

Rather insulting, don't you think?