What is new deal?

Indie_Kid

out_of_cash wrote: »

For people with mortgages,kids to feed and rent to pay etc its no good finding any old job burger flipping job.If you think this scheme is going to work you need a reality check.ummm

Better than being on JSA though?

out_of_cash

really,

have you read whats above and my qoute earlier"For people with mortgages,kids to feed and rent to pay etc "

just saying hey look at me i have a job dosent mean crap if it dont feed the kids etc.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

Are you suggesting that those who say the scheme was good are lying? No doubt some will not have the same opinion but then some people just see it as an inconvenience.

my point was directed to people who have no or little experience of these courses and not those who have been on them and liked them. i have met many people who have done these courses and i am still yet to meet someone who liked it or thought it was useful.

Snakeeyes21

out_of_cash wrote: »

reply to Snakeeyes21

It will be me who finds a job . Been employed for 30yrs and paid my share of taxes so save that crap for some real layabout.


For people with mortgages,kids to feed and rent to pay etc its no good finding any old job burger flipping job.If you think this scheme is going to work you need a reality check.ummm

I think you will find a minimum wage job plus tax credits and all the other benefits you breeders get pays a hell of a lot more than being on JSA.

You dont get forced on to the new deal for no reason, its because you have had atleast 6 months of fruitless searching for a job.

Why should the taxpayer continue to subsidise you if you wont take a minimum wage job if its offered?
Its called jobseekers allowance for a reason, its not called ill find a job in my own time allowance. You are expected to take any job avaliable.

You tried for 6 months and failed, doesnt that tell you something? matbe your aspirations are too high.

Its a long road to the bottom if you spit on everybody on the way up

tsimehC

donnajunkie wrote: »

my point was directed to people who have no or little experience of these courses and not those who have been on them and liked them. i have met many people who have done these courses and i am still yet to meet someone who liked it or thought it was useful.

I've been on New Deal before and I loved every minute.

:lovethoug

Good memories.

terryw

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

I think you will find a minimum wage job plus tax credits and all the other benefits you breeders get pays a hell of a lot more than being on JSA.

Not if mortgage interest is factored in.

exprog

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

You dont get forced on to the new deal for no reason, its because you have had atleast 6 months of fruitless searching for a job.

That’s not why people are forced onto FND, that’s when. The ‘why’ is so that charlatan companies can profit from it; politicians and civil servants can lie about the consequences of their disastrous policies; and ignorant inadequates can rant about it.

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

Why should the taxpayer continue to subsidise you if you wont take a minimum wage job if its offered?

Being offered or even refusing any job has no bearing upon FWD. The benefits system already contains ample sanctions for anyone refusing work and has nothing to do with FND.

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

Its called jobseekers allowance for a reason

And the reason is, so that lying corrupt politicians and civil servants responsible for having wrecked the economy can try to escape their guilt by suggesting the victims are to blame. Obviously they have had a measure of success with some of the more challenged members of the electorate.

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

its not called ill find a job in my own time allowance.

Nor is it called after-a-specified-amount-of-time-you-will-be-offered-a-job allowance.

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

You tried for 6 months and failed, doesnt that tell you something?

Yes, i.e. that for decades the economy has been run to create mass unemployment. When we had governments that ran the economy to create jobs we had low unemployment.

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

matbe your aspirations are too high.

Maybe you know nothing about it. Perhaps you’ve been ‘reading’ the Daily Express.

Becciboobah

I have 'experienced' New Deal twice via my partner, who the first time spent 13 weeks in a placement where, and I quote 'we haven't got any positions but the free employee over the christmas period is always handy'...and the second time at a placement he actually really enjoyed but once again was told, 'we just cannot afford to take him on'. He ended up signing off because his self esteem had reached zero. Both these placements he found himself as the advisor 'didn't have time' to sort it out for him. Which is almost as good as his New Deal Advisor at the time, saying it wasn't her job to help him look for work...errrr 'Job Centre' the clue's in the name!

He was with A4e and the one advisor they had for 30 people just couldn't cope. My partner ended up just helping those that needed it with their CV's and using a computer as he'd previously been an IT technician. He says his advisor was really helpful when he time to be but they just can't cope with the huge numbers coming through the doors and they have to put people into placements where they've no chance of getting employment out of it.

And to answer a previous poster, he has been applying for mininum wage jobs, has been posting his CV to every available employer, and even his JC advisor (he's recently had to sign on again as our circumstances have changed and we couldn't cope without the JSA, NOT ideal but we have NO choice) has said there's very little out there at the moment. For those that it has worked for great but it's always been a monumental waste of time for us.

Just seems to be a good money spinner for those who run the courses and a nice way of taking huge numbers of people off the unemployed lists for a while.

He wants to do an apprenticeship but apparently he's too old at 32!!!

out_of_cash

nicely put Becciboobah your bang on,

some of the doo gooders should take note that this scheme is a complete con.

sheep packed in and sent off for slaughter to companys who have zero intention of employing someone from this scheme .There are lots of reports across the net on this new deal crap, and i cant find anyone saying how great it is in anyway just total neg reports and very strange that all the reports are the same from all over the uk.Ummm!

Sitting in a room with a 20min internet allowance wont give you a great chance to surf for a job,neither will looking through 3yr old yellow pages directories and 3wk old news papers which is what they are currently doing in my town.The way this has been set up points towards some politicians playing with their figures again to quote "Just seems to be a good money spinner for those who run the courses and a nice way of taking huge numbers of people off the unemployed lists for a while."

For people seriously looking for work the way these courses are designed is going to hinder peoples chances the fact you cant use your mobile to reply to job adds via text or access email is total nuts.I have still yet to see exactly what training is being given to increase your chances of getting a job.And as for "if 10 fat men share one umbrella how do they all stay dry questons" that really says it all.