What is new deal?

Kaleidoscope27

donnajunkie wrote: »

are you under 25 as alot of what you mention i did not have to do.

Yes, sorry. I'm 23. I forgot it was different depending on your age.

donnajunkie

GlasweJen wrote: »

3 out of 5 have been given full time work since January; I think 2 of them did 12 weeks and the other did 16 weeks before being offered their jobs but I didn't pry so don't know for sure.

The other 2, one of them didn't understand why she had to wear the uniform nor could she get out of bed in the morning and then when she swore at a customer she was packed out after 2 weeks - not sure how that went down at the JC, the other turned up once then never came back and no ones seen hide nor hair of her, no one was surprised as she clearly thought she was better than all the people who worked there.

its sound like at least your employer is fairly decent. although i do think they keep them for free longer than they should. has it just been since january that they have been useing new deal? or have they been useing it for a long time? its just them employing alot of people could turn into a negative, as it could mean they have a large turnover of staff. in other words they are that bad to work for people dont stay for long.

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I question your attitude that the only valuable thing people get from a placement is a job with the provider; this was never the idea of the scheme. A current reference, new job skills and the discipline of 6 months of work after a period of long term unemployment are worthwhile in themselves and help many people into eventual employment if they are positive and get as much as they can out of the experience.

the point of new deal is to get people a job. the work placements purpose is meant to be for you to show you are not a total head banger. the employer is then meant to employ you once they realise this. for everyone who does not get a job out of it the course has failed them. of course they may have failed themselves by doing something wrong.
i cant see any employer with any sense valuing a reference from a new deal placement. why? they know that the employer only had you because you were there for free. a potential employer wants to know that they had you there because they valued you enough that they actually paid you a wage. new job skills? most of them are jobs you can learn in a few days. when they do require more skill they usually only take people already qualified. so you wont be gaining any new skills. even if you do gain new skills they arent going to get you a job. recent employed experience gets you a job. discipline of 6 months work? its not the army. it takes a couple of weeks at the most to get used to doing a days work.
i think i understand were you are coming from because the job you have had does not allow you to have any negative opinion of new deal.

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You seem to have missed the importance of the fact that this is twice as successful as previous schemes. The long term unemployed are always going to be difficult to help and percentage figures will always be low.

if the majority of employers who use new deal werent exploiting it then the figures would be alot better.

wishface

New Deal is, was, and forever will be (especially if Diamond Dave gets in) a scam. Unemployment is the current big gravy train favoured by politicians in the pockets of the companies concerned. A4E had Daivd Blunkett on side, now look at how rich Emma Harrison is: 40million quid? Yeah, that's reasonable. Seems fair recompense for all those zero hour contracts and dehumanised robots she produces. Nothing in class dominated Britain really changes does it.

terryw

Prinzessilein wrote: »

From my personal experience of New Deal...I used to work as a tutor for a number of providers....they are a colossal waste of time. You sit around in a room, sharing a newspaper to search for jobs. There is supposedly a computer available - but it is generally used by people typing out a CV. However good your CV is, the provider will slate it because it is the only task they have for you to do. Then you will be sent out on work-experience. This will likely as not be a charity shop or a pound shop who will take you on for up to six months - they are delighted as they get a free employee - don't expect any training there, and certainly don't expect it to lead to a job. In fact, don't expect any aspect of the New Deal to lead to a job. Its sole purpose is to get people off the unemployed list and artificially boost the government figures.

For my sins, I have just taken a temporary job as a tutor on such a scheme. I don't want full-time work as I am virtually retired but I am prepared to assist here until a ft replacement can be found.

Today was my first day and I am now absolutely exhausted! The range of "clients" is extreme - some young men who are determined to be as churlish and uncooperative and rude as possible, some people with great numeracy and literacy needs, a few who because of their person circumstances would be unlikely to earn more than their current total benefit, and a number who are genuinely searching for work but have just not managed it.

At the moment I still have high ideals, and I am honestly hoping to assist in helping in their lives by giving positive ideas and encouragement. I am hoping to assist with the basic education of many. I hope that we do a bit more than writing and re-writing cvs, but see how I feel in a week's time!

exprog

terryw wrote: »

At the moment I still have high ideals,

Foolish

terryw wrote: »

and I am honestly hoping to assist in helping in their lives

Naive

terryw wrote: »

giving positive ideas and encouragement.

How wonderful. No actual jobs though, natch.

terryw wrote: »

I am hoping to assist with the basic education of many.

So what? You a qualified teacher?

terryw wrote: »

I hope that we do a bit more than writing and re-writing cvs,

Yeah, there'll likely be plenty of roleplaying BS and degrading utterly pointless 'tasks'.

terryw wrote: »

but see how I feel in a week's time!

Bet you just keep on taking the money. These scams are entirely about making money for a few.

donnajunkie

exprog wrote: »

Foolish



Naive



How wonderful. No actual jobs though, natch.



So what? You a qualified teacher?



Yeah, there'll likely be plenty of roleplaying BS and degrading utterly pointless 'tasks'.




Bet you just keep on taking the money. These scams are entirely about making money for a few.

you are pretty much right but at least terry w has good intentions. most of the tutors on these courses are like little hitlers.

terryw

exprog wrote: »

Bet you just keep on taking the money. These scams are entirely about making money for a few.

Thanks for your post. Yes, I am a fully qualified teacher and lecturer and I also passed the qualified driving instructor's test so I do have a bit of an idea about teaching and training. I have taught for over 30 years and have had experience of at least twenty other jobs so I also have a bit of an idea about job-hunting.

At this stage in my life, I am truthfully not money-motivated and I work for self-satisfaction and to try to help others. This may sound sanctimonious but any work that I do now is purely for karma points - it's give-back time. I will not do anything which is a scam or money for few.

I have just finished my second day and I am exhausted. Half of the peeps on the course are absolutely smashing - people who I could easily become friends with. The other half are either completely disillusioned or lack any sort of education for a modern work-place.
I have spent today trying to cover "speculative" letters to employers, and after letting them have a go at such writing (the results varied!), I have given them all a really good "pro-forma" to personalize and use). Several in the class quietly thanked me and said that this had been useful. Believe me, this cheered me up.

Anyway, my contract is open-ended. I shall give it a further try and just see if I can be of any use. Or alternatively, they may find a full-timer and I shall be leaving.

exprog

donnajunkie wrote: »

you are pretty much right but at least terry w has good intentions.

That may very well be, but there are plenty of opportunities, possibly unpaid, for good intentions that don’t involve being paid to help the ‘business’ owners to rip off the public.

donnajunkie wrote: »

most of the tutors on these courses are like little hitlers.

There is no need to insult adolf by comparing him to these incompetent inadequates.