What is new deal?

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Interesting that you are only interested in hearing the negative side of things.

thats not true. so many people who have never experienced these courses think they are great because the government and media say they are great. so as they are someone who has actually worked for a new deal provider, i thought maybe people would start to listen because when an uemployed person who has been on new deal talks about how bad it is they get the usual your just a lazy b.

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

The people who get something out of New Deal are those who go into it with a positive attitude and who make the most of the opportunities offered.

what about all of the people who make an effort and dont get a job? if you have worked for a new deal provider then surely you must know that the majority dont get anything from it. you must know that alot of the employers you used for placements had no intention of employing anyone.

GlasweJen

My employer takes on people through new deal on work placements and they do tend to offer them jobs at the end of it if they're anywhere near semi-decent at turning up on time, being nice to the customers and wearing a uniform properly; you'd be amazed at how some of them can't even manage this though.

donnajunkie

Kaleidoscope27 wrote: »

I had my 6 month review yesterday and have been told I'm now on the Flexible New Deal. So bare with me whilst I try to remember all the information which was rammed down my throat.

Firstly, I got put forward for jobs on a scheme which I want to call FJF? F something F anyway. I didn't quite understand what it all was but I THINK (please, if someone can explain this better, do!) it means the jobcentre apply for jobs on my behalf and if I get offered one, it'll be for 6 months on minimum wage. The job could be anything. I've got a general interview for 4 of these jobs a week on Wednesday with somebody on the other side of Manchester. If this person thinks I'm any good for any of these jobs, they pass my details onto the companies and they get to pick if they want me or not. I think. (That was a really bad explanation but I can't find an easy way of explaining *looks around for someone to step in*)

Aside from that, I'm being forced on a course which I will find out more about when I see my advisor in two weeks time. That's all I was told, I don't know what it is or how long it's for. He said there will be voluntary courses throughout the next 6 months but only one compulsory one (I'm a bit skeptical about them being "voluntary" but I'll go with it for the time being.)

He looked at my CV, said it was very good, then changed his mind (I got the impression I wasn't allowed to have a good CV and he wasn't sure what to say) and tried to get me to switch things around on it so it was specialised for retail jobs. I told him it used to be like that until someone from Seetec saw it and told me to have it like it is now (note: I do have different ones for other roles but this CV is the one I use the most.) He went quiet after that and just stuck it in my file. *shrugs*

If I'm still on JSA in 6 months time, I get put on a 12 month course... which I know nothing about because I "don't need to yet." (What if I want to know about it?)

And he asked if my parents were happy with me being unemployed. I don't know why that was relevant.

(I don't like my advisor. He made me feel like a bad person because I have a degree and yet I'm unemployed. I didn't appreciate that.)

are you under 25 as alot of what you mention i did not have to do. the advisor i had to see for 6 months did virtually nothing for me. if you like your cv as it is then make sure you have a copy saved on disc or on computer. that way if they change your cv and you dont like it you can revert back to the one you like. for over 25's the 12 month course is part time. you see an advisor once a fortnight. you also do any thing they think is needed like cv's application forms etc. you will also have to do a minimum of 4 weeks work placement at some point.

donnajunkie

GlasweJen wrote: »

My employer takes on people through new deal on work placements and they do tend to offer them jobs at the end of it if they're anywhere near semi-decent at turning up on time, being nice to the customers and wearing a uniform properly; you'd be amazed at how some of them can't even manage this though.

out of every 10 people how may would you say get offered a job? do they make them do a full 6 months for free or do they offer them a job as soon as they know they are good enough?

Oldernotwiser

donnajunkie wrote: »

what about all of the people who make an effort and dont get a job? if you have worked for a new deal provider then surely you must know that the majority dont get anything from it. you must know that alot of the employers you used for placements had no intention of employing anyone.

I haven't worked for a New Deal provider; I've worked with people on New Deal offering independent IAG and was employed by a completely separate organisation.

I question your attitude that the only valuable thing people get from a placement is a job with the provider; this was never the idea of the scheme. A current reference, new job skills and the discipline of 6 months of work after a period of long term unemployment are worthwhile in themselves and help many people into eventual employment if they are positive and get as much as they can out of the experience.

GlasweJen

3 out of 5 have been given full time work since January; I think 2 of them did 12 weeks and the other did 16 weeks before being offered their jobs but I didn't pry so don't know for sure.

The other 2, one of them didn't understand why she had to wear the uniform nor could she get out of bed in the morning and then when she swore at a customer she was packed out after 2 weeks - not sure how that went down at the JC, the other turned up once then never came back and no ones seen hide nor hair of her, no one was surprised as she clearly thought she was better than all the people who worked there.

speedfreek1000

Why not read their own propaganda :T

The facts and figures coming out of these things are diabolical :eek:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/30/long-term-unemployment-a4e

A4e last year secured a five-year, £800m government contract to help run the government's Flexible New Deal scheme.

Of 30,000 long-term unemployed who have started the company's Flexible New Deal since launch six months ago, only 2,630 have been "supported" into work, according to A4e's update

Do the maths people :rotfl:

excited about the fact 90% of those in jobs are staying in them for 13 weeks or longer – around double the level on previous schemes

Their contract states success is employed for 26 weeks or longer

Oldernotwiser

You seem to have missed the importance of the fact that this is twice as successful as previous schemes. The long term unemployed are always going to be difficult to help and percentage figures will always be low.

speedfreek1000

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You seem to have missed the importance of the fact that this is twice as successful as previous schemes. The long term unemployed are always going to be difficult to help and percentage figures will always be low.

:rotfl:

From my basic math that equals 30418.25 per job (which although meats old New Deal rules i.e. 13 weeks) with no indication of a 26 week success story :T

This is based on figures from New Deal run by A4e before being awarded FND :cool:

There is also no indication weather these job were earnt by A4e's actions or the natural median (statistically) of job take up by long term job seekers :T