Brown sticks his foot in his mouth

sunshinetours

tomterm8 wrote: »

No, actually they do not. Private companies decide what they want to do, hire the people to do it, and their decisions of this kind always DO always affect either income OR customer service.

ANY private company where sacking people DOES NOT affect either customer service or income is absolutly hopelessly run, and probably won't exist for much longer.

The point is, an honest discussion of public spending cuts would start from the perspective of 'what do we want/need to do' and 'why do we want/need to do it'.

There are a lot of things the state probably shouldn't do. A honest debate would be looking at these areas first. But the perception you can just save money through 'efficiency savings' with no effect on the average customer is nonsence.

I do agree in general with your points here but turning it on its head on the highlighted bit -

ANY public sector service where sacking people DOES NOT affect either customer service or income is absolutly hopelessly run, and probably will exist for much longer if a funding is simply increased year on year

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So if I also have my own thoughts on immigration....I'm a biggot?

No, but the phrasing of ".....all these Eastern Europeans...." does sound fairly bigoted.

Asylum, illegal immigration and legal economic migration are legitimate issues to tackle the current government on, but if someone told me we need to deal with "all these Polish/black people/Jews/gays etc" I would assume they were indeed quite bigoted and probably impossible to debate sensibly with.

Equaliser123

lostinrates wrote: »

It did before...remember the time when Bush and Blair had their microphones on?

edit to add link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071700402_pf.html

Good point. Just pleased that Gordon didn't start talking about, for example, a secret operation in Afghanistan....

Bottom line remains - could have been a huge breach of security.

JasonLVC

Equaliser123 wrote: »

Just pleased that Gordon didn't start talking about, for example, a secret operation in Afghanistan....

or his piles....how much he hates Mandelson, etc....:D

ILW

JasonLVC wrote: »

or his piles....how much he hates Mandelson, etc....:D

Would have been great if he had got into the car and let out a huge, noisy fart, followed by one of his flunkies asking for permission to open a window.

Equaliser123

JasonLVC wrote: »

or his piles....how much he hates Mandelson, etc....:D

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Mandelson is a funny guy (not in a ha ha sort of way either).

He keeps on bouncing back and speaking with such authority. Really think he has something on both Blair and Brown.

Equaliser123

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

No, but the phrasing of ".....all these Eastern Europeans...." does sound fairly bigoted.

.

Does it? Or does it refer to a particular type of Eastern Europeans?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Equaliser123 wrote: »

Does it? Or does it refer to a particular type of Eastern Europeans?

I don't know. Having lived and worked in Poland myself (earning far more than a more qualified, experienced Polish professional by the lucky accident of being born a native speaker of English, and not paying any local taxes while I was there incidentally) I don't know what Mrs Duffy could mean by "all these Eastern Europeans". Perhaps she will grace the nation with her extensive knowledge of the region?

Equaliser123

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I don't know what Mrs Duffy could mean by "all these Eastern Europeans". Perhaps she will grace the nation with her extensive knowledge of the region?

I'm sure she will have time to reflect whist the contract for selling her story is negotiated.

lemonjelly

http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2010/04/29/feeling-empathy-for-gordon/

Quality blog from martin. I suggest you all read it. Then come back & query why we've wasted 15 pages arguing about nothing.