Will I get fired for this?

woody01

Sorry for being cynical....but!

This absolutely SMACKS of the OP knowing all along that the phone was with his brother, and because he works for a large organisation, he thought he would get away with it.

I cannot be the only one thinking this after all of the evidence (alot contradictory), given out by the OP in this thread.

sho_me_da_money

woody01 wrote: »

Sorry for being cynical....but!

This absolutely SMACKS of the OP knowing all along that the phone was with his brother, and because he works for a large organisation, he thought he would get away with it.

I cannot be the only one thinking this after all of the evidence (alot contradictory), given out by the OP in this thread.

Free to feel what you want. But the truth is the truth. Simple.

lucylucky

sho_me_da_money wrote: »

There is no question of fraud in this. I amnot silly enough to say "here you go bro, go and abuse it". I know IT policy well enough to know that doing something like that is fraud. This is not the case. My brother admits to what he did - end of. Everything else is pure speculation.

When I first heard about this, I carried out my own mini investigation, found the facts and reported them immediately to the people that needed to know. Not once did it occur to me "Oh phone the police now and get a crime reference number". IF that should have been my next course of action, then why didn't my line manager and/or the Director tell me to do this? (remember everything was out in the open within 15 mins of finding out). They basically said, we will need to have a chat to understand what happened.

Plus - I am not a mastermind of creating false information. I reacted extremely quickly in helping them gather the facts when being informed. Had I of come back to them say 2 hours later, then sure - theres absolute grounds of thinking this.

1. The phone was robbed without my knowledge ADMITTED by the thief. So your brother is a thief, and I ask again why did he steal your phone? As he stole it and did not borrow, perhaps your employer will wish to press charges
2. It was not 2 months, it was actually 1 month
3. The phone was reasonably secured in a drawer "reasonably" - so not secure
4. I know exactly what roaming charges are and how much they cost. I would be an absolutely dumb f*k for saying go on a £2000.00 joy ride BEARING in mind I am on a FWW and the number is linked to my name on work records. Also i'd be dumb to think, something like this would be overlooked. If I masterminded this, I would have passed it over and said, use it ONLY when needed. Sorry but I not even going to begin to entertain that idea because its not what happened and it is not me. Why would you even consider giving your brother your work phone?

Sorry but I am not that dense and the facts are as what I have described. I can guarantee the following will add up:

1. My phone was exchanged in December - confirmed by IT guy
2. Old phone was handed back - confirmed by IT guy
3. Bills will show that all charges in 2010 for old number since Dec are Zero
4. Bills will show that all charges in 2010 for new number were LOW except for the period he went away.
5. Bills will show that my old numbers previous record of charges were 0.00 for about 5 months out of the year and when there were call charges, they did not exceed £30.00 max
6. Outlook will show, that my personal number was distributed to everyone around Feb by the mail team admins in another country, which further justifies why I avoided using the work phone.
None of the above points have got anything to do with the case in hand (not the briefcase!)
Not bothered if you dont believe me but these are the facts and I am willing to fight them all the way because they are all I have to deal with.

I think fighting anything is the last thing that should be on your mind.

Abject apology and plead for clemency seems the only course of action here.

(with of course full and speedy re-reimbursement of the monies now owed)

nemoo

sho_me_da_money wrote: »

Yep in a drawer, under clothes.

Want me to descibe the underwear and socks? Give me a break! Some of you are The Bill cast members, im sure.

Didn't want to read and run and apologies that I have no advice to the OP.
That said, in a case where someone's employment is on the line, if it were me I'd have at least taken the time to get my facts right. Instead you come up with petty remarks to a valid observation. Locked in a drawer or a briefcase may not seem an important factor but from an employers perspective it can further instil mistrust on someone whom they have already had a few run-ins. The "truth" may be simple in your view but others do not have to share that view and that's precisely why you should avoid contradiction.

In any case, good luck.

emsywoo123

OP, you asked if you will be fired for this. Unless we know what the FWW was for, we are unlikely to able advise further. As you seem unwilling to furnish us with this information, it is very hard to not think you have something significant to hide.

dmg24

lucylucky wrote: »

I think fighting anything is the last thing that should be on your mind.

Abject apology and plead for clemency seems the only course of action here.

(with of course full and speedy re-reimbursement of the monies now owed)

I can't quote the quoted part(!), but I wholly agree with your comments. Taking something without consent is theft, and the numbered points at the end are totally irrelevant to the case in hand. Indeed, it could be argued that these points say that, because he was using his own phone, he had no regard for the security of the work issued phone.

emsywoo123

Woo hoo DMG is here..................DMG knows stuff LOL no disrespect to anyone elses posts at all, I just get excited when I see DMG How sad is that LOL

as0ta

emsywoo123 wrote: »

Woo hoo DMG is here..................DMG knows stuff LOL no disrespect to anyone elses posts at all, I just get excited when I see DMG How sad is that LOL

It's a good thing that this is a public forum and a good thing that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

as0ta

OP you have been working here for a year? And in that time you had a wriitten warning on file for 12 months? If it was bad then they would have already sacked you because you would have been under 12 months employment.

Was the incident anywhere similar to or related to to something like this before? misuse of company property? Or mistrust?

Vomityspice

I've only read bits of the thread so apologises if I've missed something......

However, a timeline of your disciplinary record would help. Verbal Warnings normally last up to 3 months, written warnings 3-6 months and Final Written warning up to 12 months. When did your 'problems' start and what where they?

Further, as the phone was 'yours' (i.e given for the course of your employment), then I suspect that there would be a policy on 'personal use'. In this case, it has been used (although not by you) so why not simply cover this cost. Ideally, it may be beneficial if you make you offer explicit so that they know you intend to honour it. From the Company's point of view, they don't want to pay the £2000! If you pay it, then it becomes less of an issue. This way you would not be breaching any company policies (as you would be covered by 'personal use') and your employment would not be put at risk!!!!

I would then issue your idiot brother with a demand for £2000. If he didn't pay I would then take him to court. If he has money to go to Dubai, he has money to repay you.

In addition, I would had back the company phone so these types of accidents can't happen again (if you actually want to keep your job).