Thousands will lose benefits as harsher medical approved

cit_k

Invasion wrote: »

But petitions don't do any good.... (!) Do you seriously expect people too ill to work to write letters to their MP's all day?!

I know petitions do no good, I said that earlier in the thread......

B&W are not asking people to do petitions, they are asking people to contact their mps and let them know their objections and that it will influence their voting agenda, to contact the press, charities, etc, spread the word, get public awareness up.

As they did for DLA, which worked a treat.

[Deleted User]

cit_k wrote: »

I cant see any dubious agenda, unlike this site, which clearly appears to have one, with a clear amount of benefit bashing going on regularily, deletion of information that would be useful to members (ATOS / BBC investigation), a clear policy of not allowing proper discussing of benefit issues in the benefits section (it all has to be black and white policy issue's only, never question the almighty DWP or the thread will be moved to discussion time).

Any thread that helps, will have a multitude of people shooting down the people speaking up for those on benefits, unfounded, and unprovable allegations are made against other sites (such as b&w, with no evidence ever shown).

Its clear which site has the problem with benefit claimaints...

Discussion about anything gets moved to DT,and thats how it should be,as for benefit bashing thats not just on MSE its a national pass-time,the govt has conditioned the media and therefore the people to be against those who depend on benefits.
As for b&w i`ve said all i`ve got to say about them on this thread.

Zziggi

kaya wrote: »

the only diference between being disabled in england in 2010 and germany in 1941 were the gas chambers, we are still being persecuted

They were exterminating disabled people from 1933 in Dachau. Uk never objected from 1933 to 1939. Says a lot really.

seven-day-weekend

Now that is just not on, comparing the DWP with Nazis! For a start it trivialises the Holocaust and for another, no-one is being 'exterminated' by any medicals, now are they?.

It's a bit melodramatic.

Invasion

cit_k wrote: »

I know petitions do no good, I said that earlier in the thread......

B&W are not asking people to do petitions, they are asking people to contact their mps and let them know their objections and that it will influence their voting agenda, to contact the press, charities, etc, spread the word, get public awareness up.

As they did for DLA, which worked a treat.

It was sarcasm... As indicated by the (!)..

I am saying that many people who are too ill to work are also too ill to write to their MP's and papers and charities, we're on IB/ESA for a reason...

Also, benefit bashing?! Most of us in this section are ON benefits and rely on them... It's the "incomers" from other areas that do the benefit bashing.

tobykim

Well as it stands nobody knows what is going to happen all the rules and regs already in existence may go out of the window depending on who is governing the country after the election.

cit_k

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Now that is just not on, comparing the DWP with Nazis! For a start it trivialises the Holocaust and for another, no-one is being 'exterminated' by any medicals, now are they?.

It's a bit melodramatic.

How do you think it started in germany.

They did not just decide to kill people one day.

They ran a long propaganda campaign against the targets, building up public hatred against them.

They then devised a points based medical test which they claimed was a fair way of helping people.

They then executed them, on the say so of doctors sitting filling in points based forms.

They put the rest in camps, and had propaganda films showing how nice the camps were, like holiday camps...


The UK has been running a long standing propaganda campaign against people on benefits, the sick and disabled specially.

The UK now has a points based system with doctors filling in points based questionaires on a computer.

They have propaganda showing how it is helping people, whilst at the same time showing propaganda about how the sick and disabled are low life fakers who cheat people out of money, and should be working.

They are not killing people yet, not directly.

Suicides will go on, but no direct deaths yet.

The last round of welfare reforms actually had some nazi style policy in them, but they were removed at the last minute, they were going to give untrained medical personal at the DWP the power to force people to undergo either drug treatment, or medical intervention (which could include surgery) - and the choice would be, starve or have whatever medical treatment the jobcentre states.

The latest ESA proposals (already accepted by the secretary for work and pensions) show that they are determined to cast hundreds of thousands more people who are sick or disabled onto JSA, where they languish, with many having their benefits sanctioned, and if the plans go ahead, it would be limited to two years, meaning they would end up homeless, starving and probably suicidal.

There is not much difference at all between early nazi behaviour, and current UK behaviour.

Who is to say things wont continue to get worse.

cit_k

tobykim wrote: »

Well as it stands nobody knows what is going to happen all the rules and regs already in existence may go out of the window depending on who is governing the country after the election.

Nothing would happen for a few years, it takes a very long time for a major change to the system, white papers, green papers, public consultancy, it has to be read multiple times in the house, debated, passed, given royal assent etc.

Changes such as they are proposing now, are just amendments so can be implemented much quicker without as much hassle.

seven-day-weekend

Like Woodbine, I am now bowing out of this thread.

It has gone from the paranoid to the ridiculous.

Oldernotwiser

Godwin's law strikes yet again and common sense goes out the window!