Labour target cancer sufferers in new ad

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

the overwhelming majority of frontline staff (particularly nurses) support labour over the other parties. so you can only assume they think labour policies are preferable to conservative when it comes to the health service.

I think it might be an assumption that is slightly misleading.

For example, we know people in geographical areas tend to vote one way or the other too....or people often vote in a tribal way...I vote for x, my father voted for x too....it doesn't mean when they sat down and looked at policies blind they would necessarily choose that party. It also doesn't mean that the policies are necessarily effective. spin impact, like the previous 2 factors, is serious. If were a public sector worker I think it would be hard to forget all the talk about ''cuts'' in the polling booth.

Now where I probably agree is that more public sector frontline staff will vote labour than anyone else: the motivation I believe will be less clear cut.

Jonbvn

ninky wrote: »

a big supporter of democracy then. is it only tory supporters who are allowed to post on here?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I don't see any tory supporters on here trying to canvas votes like you muppets.

ninky_2

Jonbvn wrote: »

I don't see any tory supporters on here trying to canvas votes like you muppets.

selective vision there then! there are paid up members of the tory party and leafleters on here - which is more than i'm doing. simply expressing my opinions on tinternet. not that i have a problem with people being paid up members of the conservative party or leafleting if that is what they believe in. i certainly wouldn't call them a muppet for doing so.

Jonbvn

ninky wrote: »

selective vision there then! there are paid up members of the tory party and leafleters on here - which is more than i'm doing. simply expressing my opinions on tinternet. not that i have a problem with people being paid up members of the conservative party or leafleting if that is what they believe in. i certainly wouldn't call them a muppet for doing so.

Easy - putting you and a few others on ignore until May 7.:beer:

ninky_2

i'll take it as a compliment that you find my posts so important you have to ignore them! or that you'll bother to change your settings after may 7th. each to their own i guess. (puzzled smiley)

butterfly320

How can we ever trust the Labour party to secure our personal information if they extract data like this for political reasons?

I don't for a second believe that this mailshot was anything other than directly targeted at sufferers from cancer and the only way to do this would be by abusing the new central NHS database.

Opt out now everyone otherwise you will be getting the next spam (scam?) from Labour delivered straight to your house.

vivatifosi

ninky wrote: »

the overwhelming majority of frontline staff (particularly nurses) support labour over the other parties. so you can only assume they think labour policies are preferable to conservative when it comes to the health service.

And it is their opinions that I want to hear and what they think. Working in local government I know that policies are set "on high" that sometimes make no sense to those at the coal front. I would be saying the same if the Tories were proposing the change to one week diagnosis. I've given my opinion and backed it up with why I don't think it would work (ie they are measuring something that can't be given as a definite and they are giving false hope). I'd like to hear from workers in the field, not political spin.

ninky_2

vivatifosi wrote: »

And it is their opinions that I want to hear and what they think. Working in local government I know that policies are set "on high" that sometimes make no sense to those at the coal front. I would be saying the same if the Tories were proposing the change to one week diagnosis. I've given my opinion and backed it up with why I don't think it would work (ie they are measuring something that can't be given as a definite and they are giving false hope). I'd like to hear from workers in the field, not political spin.

but labour aren't promising a one week diagnosis vivatifosi! they are promising that when you are sent for tests you will get the results of those tests back in a week. the problem at the moment is that you can be referred for tests and then wait to be given the results of those tests. it's not just for cancer it happens for other tests too. the point of the target is to make services answerable for any delay.

a diagnosis is different to test results.

vivatifosi

But that goes to the heart of what's being measured ninky and is the basis of my point!

When I got my first "test results" back they were inconclusive. It was only as a result of numerous panels assembling and then finally, a genetic testing in America, that I got my results. In the meantime I was told "if you live 15 years then you'll know that you probably didn't have cancer, if you die you would have had it". In the meantime I couldn't get a job, insurances etc.

If the guarantee is only to get the test results back, after which there is no target to do any more, then what incentive is there for the doctors to help me get the support they do? As I've said already, if its not measured, it doesn't count as much (and often isn't budgeted for). So what is the point in this manifesto pledge, above giving false hope?

nicko33

from the manifesto:

"The cancer guarantee will ensure that all patients see a cancer specialist within two
weeks of GP referral and that all cancer tests will be completed and the results
received within just one week"

"The waiting-time guarantee will ensure that treatment begins within 18 weeks of
seeing your GP, or the NHS will find(sic) you to go private."

I guess they meant "fund"