Polish president's plane crashes in Russia + head of the Central Bank

Asheron

The polish president is controlled by the very same people who control our president/PM and the non American, born in Kenya president.

Asheron

I wonder if the president of Poland went through the naked pedo body scanner at the airport?

wymondham

Asheron wrote: »

I wonder if the president of Poland went through the naked pedo body scanner at the airport?

Does that matter?

Generali

tomterm8 wrote: »

Stalin was an evil !!!!wit, but you don't need to be communist to be a mass murderer. It seems democratic countries such as britain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise#Bomb_damage_assessment , and America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki , were also willing to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians during the war.

Given that we've only just finished up in Iraq where we killed an estimated 600,000 innocent civilians in what is believed to be an illegal war, maybe we should look to our own crimes?

The difference as I see it between Communist despots and the likes of Hitler, Amin and Pinochet are that for some reason, otherwise apparently intelligent and sane people remain as apologists for the hateful thing the communists did to their own people whereas few if any commit the same act of collaboration towards the rightist horrors.

Would you make the same post for example if someone had castigated Hitler, "Yeah Hitler was bad but then so were Blair and Bush"? I have my doubts. Why do people equivocate about the heinous acts committed under the name of socialism? I just don't get it.

Cleaver

Asheron wrote: »

the non American, born in Kenya president.

The last time I looked Hawaii isn't in Kenya.

D- for geography Asheron. Must try harder. You big daft moron.

Wookster

Generali wrote: »

Would you make the same post for example if someone had castigated Hitler, "Yeah Hitler was bad but then so were Blair and Bush"? I have my doubts. Why do people equivocate about the heinous acts committed under the name of socialism? I just don't get it.

Russians have always particularly brutal people on themselves.

Who is apologist for the awful things these lunatics have done? I've never heard (or read of) anyone attempting to rationalise their actions, after all Hitler murdered 6M Jews, Stalin some 20M Russians and Pol Pot, 50% of his entire country.

These are truly mind boggling statistics.

nickmason

Reading of this reminds me, I hope inappropriately, of the crash/shooting down of the plane containing the Rwandan President Habyarimana (and also Burund's Ntayamira) in 1994. Much of the causality of the events that followed is disputed, but it sadly rates in the premier league of genocides, with roughly 800,000 killed in 100 days.

Generali

Wookster wrote: »

Russians have always particularly brutal people on themselves.

Who is apologist for the awful things these lunatics have done? I've never heard (or read of) anyone attempting to rationalise their actions, after all Hitler murdered 6M Jews, Stalin some 20M Russians and Pol Pot, 50% of his entire country.

These are truly mind boggling statistics.

I agree entirely. Pol Pot in particular. I would guess that North Korean Communists have 'achieved' something vaguely similar too depending on the yard stick you use.

There seems to be a recurrent theme: Communists are bad but Communism is good or at least ok.

I have never seem (from normal people) a claim that Hitler was a rotten apple and not representative of Fascism as a whole.

nickmason

Generali wrote: »

I agree entirely. Pol Pot in particular. I would guess that North Korean Communists have 'achieved' something vaguely similar too depending on the yard stick you use.

There seems to be a recurrent theme: Communists are bad but Communism is good or at least ok.

Communist Mantra: "To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss."

Degenerate

Frankly Gen, your contributions to this thread are the most intellectually dishonest claptrap I have ever seen you post.

I do not believe in communism. A command economy can never work, and a one-party state is far too susceptible to the ambitions of lunatics like Stalin. You however, are making a blatant straw-man argument. The founding principles of communism did not include mass murder. Those people that have been expressing sympathies with communist ideals have not been advocating such. And you damn well know it.

The founding principles of communism are about the fair distribution of wealth among the people. Little to argue with there. If you want to attack it, you should be concentrating on the fact that it actually does no better than capitalism in that regard, rather it cripples economic activity thereby making everyone poorer, and is prone to exploitation by despots. To accuse people of advocating despotism is just lazy.

I am very disappointed with you.