negative feedback to ticket touts

gunsandbanjos

Vomityspice wrote: »

Just my thoughts but I suspect that the majority of people who have replied to this thread think you are an idiot.

I think you may be correct in your assumption. What a muppet:rotfl:This thread has provided me with a good laugh though.

gunsandbanjos

I've just had a thought, i just sold a pair of tickets:eek: Better not be me the OP is going to neg. Though i don't think i count as a tout having sold about 3 pairs of tickets in 4 years!

valos_mummy

I have to agree in that I don't think it would make any difference really. I have bought tickets off ebay in the past, but only from people who geniunely can't go (ie- they aren't called tickets4u or something like that, and don't have more tickets in their other sale items) and I don't pay over the odds. The last tickets I bought were aboout the same price I would have got them for from the retailer; just paid a little extra for next day delivery.

The situation would improve if it were easier to refund tickets if you couldn't make it. If it's a sold out event, they'll get resold in no time. Touts are annoying; I bought 2 tickets for the a-ha tour recently and due to a couple of windows running and refreshing 10 minutes before sale time and clicking like a mad woman lol, I managed to get 2 front row middle seats. Next thing you know, there are front row seats on ebay going for about £300 for 2 when I got mine for £120......

mobfant

emlou2009 wrote:

You did have a choice, you could have just not bought a ticket, or made more of an effort to get one yourself when they first went on sale! This person is clearly using ebay to supplement their income, you say they made a whole 50p from this? WOW. How does it feel that your giving a neg for no reason whatsoever could ruin a part of someone's livelihood?

Their livelihood is immoral and wrong so I'd feel pretty good about doing it, I think I've mentioned that elsewhere in the thread.

Mrs.W wrote: »

self-jus·ti·fi·ca·tion
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the act or fact of justifying oneself, esp. of offering excessive reasons, explanations, excuses, etc., for an act, thought, or the like.

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Are you trying to be funny or clever, because you fail in both cases. If you read the thread, I was addressing the points raised by different posters. I'm happy for people to disagree with me and have a discussion but grow up.

Vomityspice wrote: »

1) He/she's a regular tout, not a guy who just can't make this particular gig otherwise I wouldn't even consider giving the person negative feedback -So they are like tescos? Buying the product cheap and selling it at a profit? Isn't that like a free economy?

No, they're not like Tescos. Ticketmaster are like Tescos. Ticketmaster provide a service, which adds value (arranging for tickets to be sold) and make a profit. Touts don't add any value, other than making it easier for richer people to go to gigs.

2) They were going to sell the tickets anyway so they've gained 50p by my purchase-This is an assumption, if nobody bought these tickets the seller would make a loss. Your also forgetting about their listing fees and FVF's.

But people were going to buy these tickets. You could tell this because they'd already been bid for.

3) I don't have a free choice - I had to buy a ticket from a tout, given that gigs do not take place every day. If the touts didn't buy up all the tickets, then I would have had a choice. But I didn't.-You DO have a choice! DONT BUY THE TICKETS... or alternatively get out of bed earlier to book your tickets next time. It is no good whining about touts when you are too lazy to organise your own tickets.

The gigs don't happen every day. I love live music and if I don't get to see a band playing tunes from, for example, their recent album, at a gig where I live, then I may never get that opportunity again.

If I don't manage to get tickets because other fans wake up earlier than me, or have put more effort into searching for gigs than me, then fair enough. But it's completely different when touts buy tickets for gigs they do not want to see purely to exploit fans who woke up half an hour later or couldn't get through on the phone.


4) Leaving negative feedback, particularly when someone has 100% positive, is a small way of making me feel better and making it harder for this person to tout. -??Your now trying to suggest your actions is somehow ethically / morally justifiable! Without seeing the irony that you benefited from the seller. Can we have you ebay ID so you can be added to my block list.

I didn't benefit from the seller. I bought a ticket for more than I would have had to pay officially.

5) Esuhl's analogy is so poor I won't waste any more time on it.

Just my thoughts but I suspect that the majority of people who have replied to this thread think you are an idiot.

I don't particularly care, but thanks for your thoughts.

StaffsSW

Such a petty and misguided, petulant rant.

1/10

RFW

Can anyone explain why profiting on tickets as opposed to anything else is more immoral. If you disagree with capitalism then fine, I respect that, but why do ticket sellers get singled out?
I actually think that the artists, especially more established ones could quite easily stop ticket touts if they were inclined to.

Vomityspice

Originally Posted by Vomityspice
1) He/she's a regular tout, not a guy who just can't make this particular gig otherwise I wouldn't even consider giving the person negative feedback -So they are like tescos? Buying the product cheap and selling it at a profit? Isn't that like a free economy?

No, they're not like Tescos. Ticketmaster are like Tescos. Ticketmaster provide a service, which adds value (arranging for tickets to be sold) and make a profit. Touts don't add any value, other than making it easier for richer people to go to gigs.
Your ebay selling tout IS offering a service. He/she has gone to the trouble of getting out of bed early to buy the tickets before you could be bothered to get up. Like Ticketmaster, they have arranged for the ticket to be sold (i.e they have taken on the risk of not being able to sell on the ticket). The fact that others are willing to pay more for a ticket is the free market at work. You seem to view the two entities differently because you appear to believe one is morally / ethically more responsible than the other.


2) They were going to sell the tickets anyway so they've gained 50p by my purchase-This is an assumption, if nobody bought these tickets the seller would make a loss. Your also forgetting about their listing fees and FVF's.

But people were going to buy these tickets. You could tell this because they'd already been bid for.
People were happy to bid for the tickets because they made a judgment that they were willing to buy them at £XXXX. No one forced them into making that decision, it was their free choice


3) I don't have a free choice - I had to buy a ticket from a tout, given that gigs do not take place every day. If the touts didn't buy up all the tickets, then I would have had a choice. But I didn't.-You DO have a choice! DONT BUY THE TICKETS... or alternatively get out of bed earlier to book your tickets next time. It is no good whining about touts when you are too lazy to organise your own tickets.

The gigs don't happen every day. I love live music and if I don't get to see a band playing tunes from, for example, their recent album, at a gig where I live, then I may never get that opportunity again.

If I don't manage to get tickets because other fans wake up earlier than me, or have put more effort into searching for gigs than me, then fair enough. But it's completely different when touts buy tickets for gigs they do not want to see purely to exploit fans who woke up half an hour later or couldn't get through on the phone.
Why are touts not able to use their skills to make money? They have shelled out the cost of equipment to facilitate their business. They exploit no one, YOU HAVE A FREE CHOICE. Moaning that you are hard done by is useless! Why do you think you are deserving of a ticket but are not prepared to make any effort in securing one? Further, who is to say that someone buying a ticket at a higher price won't enjoy the concert just as much? The fact that someone else is prepared to pay more money than you is tough luck.



4) Leaving negative feedback, particularly when someone has 100% positive, is a small way of making me feel better and making it harder for this person to tout. -??Your now trying to suggest your actions is somehow ethically / morally justifiable! Without seeing the irony that you benefited from the seller. Can we have you ebay ID so you can be added to my block list.

I didn't benefit from the seller. I bought a ticket for more than I would have had to pay officially.
You did benefit from the seller as you now have a ticket! Without them you would be sitting at your home watching TV when the concert was on. The fact that is cost you more than you think it should is just sour grapes. Nobody forced you to buy. YOU choose to. You still haven't posted your Ebay ID and I am sure there are many of us who would like to remove you from the buying pool (as nature appears to have allowed you to survive in the gene pool!)

5) Esuhl's analogy is so poor I won't waste any more time on it.

Just my thoughts but I suspect that the majority of people who have replied to this thread think you are an idiot.

I don't particularly care, but thanks for your thoughts.

You do appear to care otherwise you would not have bothered to reply to attempt to justify your views. Admit it, it doesn't appear to persuade many to support your misguided views. If you want to hate touts then go ahead, but don't be disingenuous and then buy a ticket from them! It is illogical

Hope that clarifies why you are wrong?

TurkishDelight

Vomityspice wrote: »

Further, who is to say that someone buying a ticket at a higher price won't enjoy the concert just as much?

I've always thought that- they can bleat about it not going to the real fans as much as they like, but ultimately who else is buying the tickets if not fans?
I don't mean the touts, I mean the end user.
Fans with more money I guess- doesn't make them lesser fans.

It's record company brainwashing, which is probably something the OP would be opposed to if they thought about it enough.;)

RFW

RFW wrote: »

Can anyone explain why profiting on tickets as opposed to anything else is more immoral. If you disagree with capitalism then fine, I respect that, but why do ticket sellers get singled out?
I actually think that the artists, especially more established ones could quite easily stop ticket touts if they were inclined to.

As no one answered I figured a plausible explanation that a ticket is one of the few things that has a price on, so people get irked at having paid £100 for something with £25 on. If the tin of beans in the supermarket had a cost price of 10p on it and was sold for 50p would that be as irritating?

If anyone can think of a better reason why ticket touts are considered low then let me know.

Given the traffic on here I'd assume there must be some genuine ticket resellers about.

barvid

Feedback isn't the place to stand on your soap box and bleat about something you disagree with. It's not a place to offer an opinion on an aspect of society that, regardless of your beliefs or preferences, is perfectly legal. It's there to provide a summary of the eBay transaction and NOTHING MORE. If he sells you something which is as described, gets it to you on time, and does an all round good job, what right do you have to neg him in return? I am genuinely amazed that you would even dare to consider it, especially since you're clearly not that anti touting or you wouldn't be buying from him.

How would you like it if someone bought something from you, and you went to the time and trouble to pack and send it, only to receive a neg because the buyer was out to make some silly point that is neither helpful nor relevant. You'd probably come on a board like this moaning about how unfair the buyer was and what had you done wrong.

Do you distribute negative propoganda about banks because you think the interest rate on your savings account is too low? Do you stand at petrol stations flaming Esso because the government charges too much fuel duty?

Grow up!!