Weezl and friends Phase 2 -giving it a whirl for Shirl! Testing meal plan for a month

Ambersuccubus

Quick question re: this weightloss thing - why isn't anyone assuming Bob will need to lose weight too, if they've been eating together for x-number of years?

weezl74

Ambersuccubus wrote: »

Quick question re: this weightloss thing - why isn't anyone assuming Bob will need to lose weight too, if they've been eating together for x-number of years?

it's a good point, and hello!

My main thinking is that Bob will lose approx 4 lb in the month eating the normal planner anyway if he is overweight, but shirl will have to work harder.

This is because although most women require 2/3rds of the calories of their OHs I don't know that many women who serve themselves up 1/3rd less dinner than their partner.

My friends may just be unusual though?

queen_of_string

Personally, I'm not convinced we should go down the diet route at all. If everyone sticks to the meal plan and feels full then they will be getting what they need each day and no more. This should mean that they wont gain anymore weight. If, while following the plan, they decide they'd like to reduce their body weight, then they could chose to increase their level of exercise.

This would have a beneficial effect both on their weight and their mental health, lessening the toxic health effects of chronic debt. There's now a body of research ( people who like research will find it easily), that shows improvements in the MH of people who take , especially outdoor, exercise.

This might be a more benevolent and holistic approach to the families this is aimed at, helping them to manage their mental well being, rather than focussing on weight.


( speaking as someone who can talk the talk but not walk the walk atm and is currently about 3st over where I would prefer to be.)

queen_of_string

Might be worth a note some place on the site to say what you said above. I know it seems bleeding obvious, but maybe like so many head slapping moments in OS and subsistence, it's not to lots of people.

Something dead simple like : If you are physically smaller than your partner ( see all pc and non gender specific), then it is likely, with similar levels of activity, you will need less calories than they do in a day. To prevent weight gain while following the plan, ensure you take a slightly smaller portion of the meals and snacks.

weezl74

QOS I see what you're saying about the dieting thing...

I think we were just concerned that if shirl has all her life felt that fat=bad, it might be harder to reel her in?

HowlinWolf

HowlinWolf - good at creating and using spreadsheets (unless you ask me to write an If formula!) has software that can understand an excel spreadsheet and can send out a spreadsheet that can be read in excel but does not have excel on her Mac. Good at writing but am time limited in this because I like things to be perfect. Good at editing and spotting missing bits. Good at eating!!!!! Baaaaad at following recipes, but good at making up recipes - has an overly casual recipe writing style which can confuse/frustrate some readers. Needs jobs that can be done in short bursts and are not necessarily crushingly urgent as have time issues and am bad at long term sustained stuff. Hates internet/calorie research. Like lists - writing them and reading them. Project skills. Can write minutes.

Allegra

weezl74 wrote: »

but if all your 6 workstations were putting you in the 1 in 300 category then you'd have consistently visited the site more than 15 times a day for all of the 44 days (not just looked at 15 pages, visited 15 times and looked at averagely 8 pages each time).

I dunno, but it just seemsunlikely?

tho you may be VERY bored at work

Do people know what I mean though, the 300 keenies seem a bit under involved (than they might like to be).

Or am I clutching at straws?

Actually, at the moment I'm probably a maximum of 3 individual users, having lost slots at two of the sites for the summer. And that pattern is probably describing me to a t at the moment - as I am trying to do various things for Shirl and Kitty in the quiet intervals, and they do involve multiple visits and looking at multiple pages each visit

Again, reluctant to sound all gloom and doom when you are getting all excited.... But you do keep asking for help and it's really the same few people that are jumping in every time to give a hand as much as they can - somehow that just does not fit in with this idea that there are 300 people out there wanting to lend a hand !

Perhaps you are just viewing it from the wrong angle. Perhaps those 300 people (or 200, or a 100, or however many there are) are really "just" people who have totally bought into the whole concept, including the learning how to fish bit, which is why they keep perusing the pages in order to assimiliate the collected knowlege from them. "Just" being in quotation marks because there is no just about that, really - that's what the whole thing is about !

Perhaps what I said earlier about people visiting the site but not necessarily this thread accounts for the discrepancy ? Do you need more helpers desperately ? Perhaps there should be a sentence added to the "about us" about helping hands needed and to email if they are ready and willing ?

weezl74

fair 'nuff allegra

if you think I've made it easy enough to get involved then that's my end done

Ambersuccubus

As far as I recall, the 1/3 less calories thing ONLY applies if the woman is strictly within the "ideal weight" zones indicated on those horrid doctors' charts, and is due to number of calories needed to support the lower muscle mass such a female will likely have - you can't carry much good muscle and stay under 8 1/2 stone! - and does no significant excercise

A woman who excercises, or even just does a lot of housework and lifting kids etc will need more. A woman with any reasonable muscle development will need more, to avoid ketosis. So I agree with QOS, regarding limiting your involvement in it to a reminder that portion size is important if someone DOES want to watch their energy intake for whatever reason, and think this weight loss stuff is just a sexist blind avenue, I'm afraid. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it really annoys me...

Of course, I am speaking as someone who, whilst she can out walk/ bike/lift furniture any of her skinny friends, has been clinically obese according to said charts for all her life, so perhaps I'm just biased. i do wish more women would take excercise rather than stopping eating though! Muscle development and weight bearing exercise are just as crucial as calcium in avoiding later life osteoporosis...

eta. - if it weren't for the fact that I personally can't use the plans anyway because of my allergy, harping on about women needing to "diet" would be a dealbreaker for me

weezl74

Allegra wrote: »

Perhaps what I said earlier about people visiting the site but not necessarily this thread accounts for the discrepancy ? Do you need more helpers desperately ? Perhaps there should be a sentence added to the "about us" about helping hands needed and to email if they are ready and willing ?

I guess it's not so much desperate for help, as aware it's the same folk all the time and don't want to burden the regulars.

Also undeniably there is a buy in when someone works on the site, it creates ownership and this leads to people wanting to tell their shirley friends,

So for those reasons, I do like more helpers, yes