PS3 , Removal of other os . Mis- sold

Arg

custardy wrote: »

dont see much on the list TBH

http:// media.ps3scene.com/images/ps3-eu-launch-unit/02.jpg

What happens if the box was blank?

ps, It was mentioned in the press conferences running up to the PS3s release.

mikey72

You can list as many what ifs, and compare software licence, (not ownership, a right to use the current version) to anything you want. It won't change what you actually have, and what you have agreed to. If you think microsoft eula's can be compared to BG servicing your boiler, turn off your updates now, and then turn off the pc. And for a comparison, it wouldn't be your pet, it would be one you have rented, so, if the owner didn't want you breeding it, he could neuter it and give it back to you.

RobertoMoir

And for a comparison, it wouldn't be your pet, it would be one you have rented, so, if the owner didn't want you breeding it, he could neuter it and give it back to you.

Wow. Mikey are you saying all those people with PS3s have only rented them, they don't actually own them?

I knew I made the right choice when I decided not to touch anything from Sony all those years ago.

mikey72

RobertoMoir wrote: »

Wow. Mikey are you saying all those people with PS3s have only rented them, they don't actually own them?

I knew I made the right choice when I decided not to touch anything from Sony all those years ago.

Yes that'll be right, haven't you seen the big sony vans collecting from people with overdue playstations.

DrScotsman

mikey72 wrote: »

Looking at custardy's picture
if you follow the link on the software licence on the box, you've already agreed to loss of functionallity anyway.
http://www.scei.co.jp/ps3-eula/ps3_eula_en.html

Yes. You agreed it with Sony. Not the retailer.

The legal validity of these EULAs is always dubious, but even if it is valid how does it change things with the retailer?

As if we don't have enough analogies on this thread: Imagine buying a box of 24 cans of Coca Cola, opening it and reading a piece of paper that says "By opening these cans you agree not to hold us liable if they turn out to be water". You then go back and complain to the retailer.

mikey72

DrScotsman wrote: »

Yes. You agreed it with Sony. Not the retailer.

The legal validity of these EULAs is always dubious, but even if it is valid how does it change things with the retailer?

As if we don't have enough analogies on this thread: Imagine buying a box of 24 cans of Coca Cola, opening it and reading a piece of paper that says "By opening these cans you agree not to hold us liable if they turn out to be water". You then go back and complain to the retailer.

Try the coca cola one in court, you'll be bound to win with the force of that arguement. (unless the retailer points out you bought a ps3, and it came with a eula, not a pull tab)
Or I suppose if you really like your analogies, he could point out it was full of coca cola when he sold it you, you emptied it out, got a new load of water from coca cola, and put that back in, then brought it back to complain it no longer tasted the same.

RobertoMoir

mikey72 wrote: »

Yes that'll be right, haven't you seen the big sony vans collecting from people with overdue playstations.

It's all well and good being sarcastic with me but I'm not the one who essentially just claimed that PS3s were all rental units.

mikey72

No, you suggested it, I pointed out the eula quite clearly on display on the box.

OlliesDad

Arg wrote: »

If Sony said they can take all your money whenever they please halfway through the contract does that mean they can?

Don't daft.The update is far from optional as others have pointed out.
It's like taking your pet to the vet for a routine checkup only to find out he's gone and neutered it.
It's like having a gas engineer check your boiler only to tamper with it against your wishes because it was part of the manufacturers business strategy.

The comment i made was in response to the person asking if anything can be done as they are tampering with his property. Nobody is tampering with it as he is choosing to apply the update (granted it will render the unit useless if he doesn't).

Also, your examples are different as they are actually causing physical damage rather than removing software support (if you dont update). As i said in my first post, you do have a case unde SoGA though.

mikey72

Sony's eula gives them the rights to apply the update themselves, so they state, so in fact you don't need to agree, or update, they can change it from their end if they choose to, if you ever go online.