Right you lot - Let's Change The World - Take 2

Spartacus_Mills

Mmmm, Crabbies.

Pobby

Shame a good thread is once again being ruined. Best to go back to how HPI is soaring in Aberdeen.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Pobby wrote: »

Shame a good thread is once again being ruined.

It's the best carol thread we've had in ages.

It was in real danger of descending into farce there for a minute, that lefty do-gooder nonsense almost slipped in.

But we saved it.;)

1984ReturnsForReal_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It's the best carol thread we've had in ages.

It was in real danger of descending into farce there for a minute, that lefty do-gooder nonsense almost slipped in.

But we saved it.;)

:rotfl:

Hamish DOES have a sense on humour...

fc123

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

No.

& I also think you may want to have a little thought to what you just wrote.

Or are insults & harassment acceptable to you?

& before you class me as one of the two I suggest you look back to where it started... Again..

per...leeese...are you for real?

GingerSte

A few serious suggestions, if I may...

Promote manufacturing in the UK. At the moment the top end manufacturing seems to be taking off again here, and this is good. Top end mechanical engineering in particular seems to be enjoying something of a renaissance, although this is not my particular field.

However this work doesn't suit everybody. We need to look again at mass manufacture. We were turning it round in the 90's, and the quality was rising, until the money men (and women) decided they could get a quicker return making their widgets in China. I know we'll never beat them on price, but I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence recently that people are regretting outsourcing work to developing countries, as the quality has suffered. I freely admit, however, that this will be harder to achieve now that we've lost a lot of our knowledge in this area.

Having said this I don't want places to turn into one-company-towns, where there is one huge employer, and everybody either works for them or one of their suppliers. I come from Yorkshire, where whole towns were rendered unemployed by the closure of collieries.

I suppose I'm trying to say, we should not keep all our eggs in one basket. We've found out the hard way that we can't all be doctors and lawyers and accountants. We've also found out that you can't base your entire local economy on the local pit. There's got to be some happy medium out there. It would also be nice if we could make decisions based on a long-term outlook, rather than just going for the quick buck every time.

(P.S. If I've missed any cliches in the above, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks.)

SteveV2

I think there should be no car tax at all. They should just put the price of fuel up just that little bit more so the heavy roads users pay more and the light users pay less. Makes sense to me

1984ReturnsForReal_2

fc123 wrote: »

per...leeese...are you for real?

Yep.

You?

Or are you just another double standard poster?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

SteveV2 wrote: »

I think there should be no car tax at all. They should just put the price of fuel up just that little bit more so the heavy roads users pay more and the light users pay less. Makes sense to me

Or better yet. Remove car tax AND cut fuel tax.

Pay for at least part of it by removing subsidies for public transport, particularly in London and the South East.

We often see ignorant posts from Londoners/SE people about the high costs of motoring being OK, as people should use public transport.

I say in the interests of fairness, end motorist-funded subsidies for public transport and make them pay the same public transport prices we do in rural areas.

I rather think if they had to pay £15 to £20 each way, and travel for an hour and a half for what should be a 40 minute commute to work, they'd be slightly less smug about the topic.;)

Linton

carolt wrote: »

My first attempt at provoking and discussing positive solutions to all the economic misery we face and disect on here daily kind of foundered because I made the cardinal error of giving an example in the original post - which was then debated to death in the next several pages.

No-one actually ever got round to coming with any other ideas to debate.

So this time, I'm not suggestng anything - yet.


I'm just throwing open the floor to anyone with any fantastic ideas on how to improve our world, or just one little bit of it, whatever.

I know you lot are intelligent, passionate, inspiring and creative people, so I look forward to hearing all your ideas.

Over to you now:

Good proposal, but one I fear will lead down the same line as all other threads. One suggestion to encourage informative debate. It's very easy to propose cuts that disadvantage other people. What about a "rule" that anything proposed should financially disadvantage the proposer?