Right you lot - Let's Change The World - Take 2

Pobby

Thanks Carol for getting this under way. Had an heated debate with my wife tonight. Guess we are both a bit fed up. Business flat and my wife earns not a great amount.

One of our relatives had 3 kids, single Mother and it`s intentional.The father, although around, contributes next to nothing to the kids. In fact he is on invalidity but also works, often a full week cash in hand.

We both know this is so wrong but in their eyes it`s perfectly acceptable. Trouble is that this is seen to be the norm. Dreadful situation in reality yet similar is very common. It is wrong, very wrong. In my heart I should report it but as relatives I find that impossible. I really feel that the benefit culture in the U.K sucks.

I am disabled as I have stated before. Never made it a big deal, just got on with it and always worked. I am very nervous that work will dry up. In my 62nd year I would find it difficult to get any employment. Certainly no means tested benefit and deffo no JSA, self employed. I guess I could throw my disability at them and get benefit from that but heck, after all these years I really wouldn`t want to go there.

I`m quite prepared to be flamed here for not reporting the clear benefit fraud. So I guess I am part of the problem not the solution. Oh my, things so much less of a problem when I was younger.

carolt

Thanks Pobby.

Hamish is being a leetle bit silly (drunk?) on this thread, so it's nice to hear someone who thinks a little bit more deeply about the problems that we, as a nation/globe face.

I think the simple, the only solution to the benefit trap is to...cut the benefits. The situation we are in where there is such a disincentive to work is not just morally wrong, it's totally unaffordable.

I suspect the only reason we're not seeing a revolution is because the exploited ie the ordinary working man/woman is too bloody knackered at the end of the day/week to cause any trouble...

tomterm8

aelitaman wrote: »

Tough on litter, but not tough on the causes of litter.

I guess it is a philosophical question. I think the causes of many problems is the refusal to take personal responsibility for things we didn't cause ourself. So, we are not the cause of the litter, but it is not enough for us not be the cause of the litter. For our society to flourish, we need - both collectively and individually - take responsibility for things that are not our fault.

By picking up litter, even though you don't cause it, you send a strong message to the world: I am proud of where I live. Do not mess it up. And, if everyone were to do it, we would not have litter.

By taking responsibility, by doing what is right, we can improve the world. By being courteous, by picking up litter we don't cause, by being kind to others, we place a mark down in the universe. We cannot force others to be these things. We can chose to be them, regardless of others, and in our choice hope to influence others by our example.

Spartacus_Mills

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

You are are the p*sshead Spart.

& by the way I won't read anymore PMs, I didn't read the last one.

The next one goes to the moderators as will a request to ban you.

Just to clarify, I don't drink mate. That is another fu*k up of judgment you have made.

But hey, your full of f*cked up judgments.

Not sorry Sparti!!!!

LOL

All I asked you in that PM was to call me Spartacus not Sparticus. If you think that merits a ban then you are applying your usual skills to the matter at hand.

Spartacus_Mills

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Sorry, but if some scumbag junkie breaks into your house and threatens you with a knife, you really should be able to chase him down the street with a cricket bat and beat him senseless without worrying about prosecution.

No you shouldn't Hamish, as the threat has gone. You should be able to defend yourself in your home but if the scum turns and runs then chase him/her by all means and perform a citizens arrest but that should not allow you to use excessive violence.

Spartacus_Mills

nearlynew wrote: »

Now you're getting silly again McTittish.

Just because I've thanked you once, doesn't mean you have to go overboard.

I do not see the need for that.

fc123

tomterm8 wrote: »

Every time you walk past a piece of litter, pick it up, bin it, and the world will be a little bit of a better place.

1; National service for both sexes......not just army based but community based too. 12 months at aged 17 would be a real benefit and would mix people up too....get kids mixing with others from all types of backgrounds and doing a task together. It would get rid of the ridiculous 'Them and Us' attitude.


2; each individual taking care of their immediate family and near neighbours. The Welfare state wouldn't then be needed as much. However, this would mean being fairly self-less so may not appeal.

Like Pobby, I have family on OH's side who 'try it' and sometimes it really winds me up but the welfare rules have aided and abetted their behaviour.
Honestly? If the welfare vanished tomo, all of us wouldn't see them starve...and getting back to work would sort out a few issues too. Too much time on ones hands can be as damaging as too little.

3; no tax credits and no tax on salary up to 20k per person.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

LOL

All I asked you in that PM was to call me Spartacus not Sparticus. If you think that merits a ban then you are applying your usual skills to the matter at hand.

I have told you twice on an open forum not to PM me.

You mate are either a first class !!!! or drunk.

fc123

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I have told you twice on an open forum not to PM me.

You mate are either a first class !!!! or drunk.

Pretty please..will you 2 take it outside an stop bickering like a pair of old ladies.:D

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

carolt wrote: »

Hamish is being a leetle bit silly

Moi?:A

(drunk?)

Not yet. But just you wait til later......:beer: