Is Deliberately Starving Millions of the Populace to death A Good Thing

ninky_2

Masomnia wrote: »

Yes, if I work harder than my neighbour, and develop skills that he doesn't have, why shouldn't I be paid more?

capitalism doesn't reward harder work and skills per se. it rewards marketable value. quite a different thing.

jonewer

baileysbattlebus wrote: »

Hang on - I'm thinking about thinking.

Dont hurt yourself. Try google.

fc123

ninky wrote: »

are you suggesting the labour party is communist? imo they are more capitalist than communist.

is thinking that we need state intervention to protect to weakest member of society communist?

is having an nhs communist?

or state education?

I am sketchy on many historic outcomes of communism (because I didn't pay attention in class many years ago) but I thought the big idea was 1 party (Govt) and everyone works for The Party so all business is owned by the party and everyone is employed by The Party. The Party provide all that the population requires and everyone is provided with the same amount so everyone is equal.

The mass murder and so on....was it because The Party couldn't provide for everyone so had to reduce the population so they could?

My SIL is Russian and there is so much I would love to ask her but when we meet up we end up chatting about the kids, shoes and so on and I forget.

I do know that all toddlers had day care so they 'detached' a little from their parents and all kids were sent away for 2 months to Dachas in the summer...which seems to her perfectly ''normal''. Kids then grow up very quickly if away from home at a young age. They then feel they have 2 carers, not one. It sort of detaches people a bit.

The Party was almost like the role of family.

She' get 's stressed out of the fridge is half empty whereas I wait until it is totally empty before filling it....an empty fridge doesn't stress me out at all.

You got given a home at aged 18 too. I wrote about it somewhere else.

fc123

ninky wrote: »

has there ever been an example of a genuinely communist country? where wealth is equally held and private property does not exist? can such a thing exist?

i think that is where the argument comes that "it's good in theory".

would anyone actually argue that a society where everyone has enough and no more than each other would be a bad thing? the only thing they would argue about is whether this is actually acheivable. (cue lots of comments about human nature etc).

Human nature and instincts override everything in the end so, Communism in principle is a total no go IMO.

fc123

I ticked choice 3 on the poll and just looked and no one else did........have I misunderstood the poll?

GDB2222

This poll will close on 04-08-2037 at 3:54 PM

Phew, voted just in time!

Don't forget that both China and Russia had no history of any kind of democratic rule. They'd always been ruled by despots, maybe some more benevolent than others. Stalin was just following this tradition, and I don't see that his mental health problems had anything to do with communism.

You could have looked at Cuba, for example, and whilst that is hardly an ideal regime (especially if you happen to be one of the dissidents locked up in jail), it hasn't had the same sort of bloodbath as the others.

GDB2222

Masomnia wrote: »

Yes, if I work harder than my neighbour, and develop skills that he doesn't have, why shouldn't I be paid more?

What if you don't work harder, but Daddy gave you a factory for Christmas?

jonewer

GDB2222 wrote: »

What if you don't work harder, but Daddy gave you a factory for Christmas?

You'd have to work harder to make your factory a viable business. Go to the poorhouse else.

vivatifosi

ninky wrote: »

capitalism doesn't reward harder work and skills per se. it rewards marketable value. quite a different thing.

If I work hard to keep my skills marketable, why shouldn't I be paid more than those who don't?

vivatifosi

kennyboy66 wrote: »

What's perhaps more surprising is that compared to say France or Italy, communism has never taken off in the UK - membership of communist parties in those countries has always been higher by a factor of 20.

I got put off by reading Animal Farm at school. It's all Orwell's fault.