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Age 7 government child trust fund payments not being released!!!
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No,nobody tells me how to spend child benefit because I don't need somebody to tell me that I should provide for my son.
Well done, now extend that courtesy to other families on low incomes to please.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
I get a little bit tired of people ranting on about 'poor' children. There is no need for children to be poor in the UK. If they have chavvy parents who would rather spend money on themselves then their children, then throwing money at them is not going to help - they will just spend that on themselves too.
Everybody knows (unless they have a learning disability) that eating fruit is good for you and smoking and drinking bad, especially when pregnant. Seasonal fruit is also not expensive (whereas smoking and drinking is). There is no excuse not to 'eat healthy' and no need for Government money to be spent on this, nor on the child trust fund.
If people are too selfish to spend their money on their children then the children should be taken away from them and given to someone who will look after them properly. IMHO. Rant over.
(Just to say that when our son was young, we lived on a sum of money the equivalent of Jobseekers' Allowance. We still managed to feed and clothe him properly).(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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'Deepmistrust wrote: »Lots of people do have problems with milk tokes, they imply a lower social class, or status.
Even schools have dragged themselves into the 21st century, years ago, the poor kids had to line up for their dinner voucher while the better off kids when straight to the front of queue.
I do not see people like that.I do not think of people by 'class' or 'status'.I did not feel I was' lower social class' because I had free Dental care and I was treated no differently to anyone else.
The school I went to was not like that.we all lined up together.We would not have had a clue who had free dinners unless they told us themselves.0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »how about child benefit? Should we also replace child benefit with healty snacks and cheap or second hand clothing deliveries?
How much do you think that would cost to administer? Or perhaps we can means test people, and those in the most need who qualify, are treated like the grown ups they are. They may not have had the best start in life themselves, or maybe they are just in a bad situation for a short time, eitherway, fundamentally, they are grown ups, and should be treated as such.
First off,this stupid £190 isn't for those on low income,it's for everyone I believe.
Child benefit can be spent on a variety of things related to the children,it's not specific to certain things and again is not means tested so not aimed at those on low income.
You really do think people should £190 to waste just because they're pregnant don't you?
Furthermore,if people are disadvantaged then just handing them money is not going to help.So they can go and buy something extra...that's going to get them out of the trap of being 'disadvantaged' and help them have a better life or improve their situation is it?If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
I had £100 when I was 17 to buy things for my baby.And?I stated that the Sure Start Grant should be cut and not for every child,not that a complete scrappage was needed.That everything can be purchased cheaper and new should not be sought when you cannot afford to do it.
So,your post was a little pointless I'm afraid
No pointless at all. Simply ensuring that you recognise that at one time tax-payers like me were giving you money to spend on what ever you wished to - that you chose to spend it wisely is credit to you, but the money did not come with conditions attached or criticisms of your life decisions. Now that you're (I assume) a tax-payer you want to be pulling the ladder up behind you. Slight hypocrisy?0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »Well done, now extend that courtesy to other families on low incomes to please.
I'm not sure what planet you are on but you clearly haven't got a clue.
What has child benefit got to do with any of this?
What has knowing that child benefit is to be used in relation to a child got to do with being given lump sum payments that are intended for a specific purpose and wasting them on anything you fancy?
What has it got to do with ridiculous Child Trust Funds that are a complete waste of money?
What has it got to do with £500 Sure Start Grants for every child you have when in reality you should have less and live within your means,receive a much smaller amount and not have everything new or more expensive?If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
ultrawomble wrote: »No pointless at all. Simply ensuring that you recognise that at one time tax-payers like me were giving you money to spend on what ever you wished to - that you chose to spend it wisely is credit to you, but the money did not come with conditions attached or criticisms of your life decisions. Now that you're (I assume) a tax-payer you want to be pulling the ladder up behind you. Slight hypocrisy?
No.Hypocrisy would be to say that it's disgusting that any money is given by way of a Sure Start Grant.Not saying that the money should be less,means should be lived within and new should not be expected -certainly not at the expense of the state- and that it shouldn't be given for every child.
There's a world of difference.If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
Why is it that everyone here appears to presume that every pensioner is poor, struggling etc....
Just about all of the arguments used for the reasons why the CTF was scrapped could be applied to winter fuel payments.
WFP are not means tested, so the millionaire pensioner living in his mansion would still get the same payment as the pensioner living in a council flat.
Also, why is there the impression that every pensioner has contributed so much to society?
Surely there have been plenty of people on benefits going back through the years, these people will ultimately end up pensioners. Never contributed a penny, but still getting paid for by the state.
I agree, there are thousands of pensioners that will have never contributed to the state yet are still claiming from it - they simply claim lone parents benefit/jsa, move to incapacity when these have to end and then their pension. So I would agree that the WFP could be scrapped or contributions based at the very least.
Other countries have welfare systems that work yet ours is seen as a lifestyle choice to many as Labour made it that way. Hopefully the Con-Dems will reverse this trend and people will have to start providing for themselves and their families. It would be a good start if all benefits were contributions based (bar disabilities were no work is possible) - would soon cut our teen pregnancy rate and the number of children that are born with no thoughts as to how they would be supported.0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »I get a little bit tired of people ranting on about 'poor' children. There is no need for children to be poor in the UK. If they have chavvy parents who would rather spend money on themselves then their children, then throwing money at them is not going to help - they will just spend that on themselves too.
Everybody knows (unless they have a learning disability) that eating fruit is good for you and smoking and drinking bad, especially when pregnant. Seasonal fruit is also not expensive (whereas smoking and drinking is). There is no excuse not to 'eat healthy' and no need for Government money to be spent on this, nor on the child trust fund.
If people are too selfish to spend their money on their children then the children should be taken away from them and given to someone who will look after them properly. IMHO. Rant over.
Yes, this reminds me of when I was standing at the school waiting for kids to come out.Mum standing next to me telling me how she didn't know what she was going to give the kids for their tea as she had no food in the house only a tin of beans, and no money,........ as she lit up another fag.0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »I get a little bit tired of people ranting on about 'poor' children. There is no need for children to be poor in the UK. If they have chavvy parents who would rather spend money on themselves then their children, then throwing money at them is not going to help - they will just spend that on themselves too.
Everybody knows (unless they have a learning disability) that eating fruit is good for you and smoking and drinking bad, especially when pregnant. Seasonal fruit is also not expensive (whereas smoking and drinking is). There is no excuse not to 'eat healthy' and no need for Government money to be spent on this, nor on the child trust fund.
If people are too selfish to spend their money on their children then the children should be taken away from them and given to someone who will look after them properly. IMHO. Rant over.
So everyone on low incomes are chavs now?
To be honest, your argument is based in fallacy, it's ridiculous to the extreme, and actually says more about you...than children from poor families.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0
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