QT last night - Will Self - what a fool

StevieJ

What would have happened if they had been under 10 and below the age of criminal responsibility?

lemonjelly

Point of order. You've spent several pages whinging about no lefty answering your point. I've responded. You appear to be choosing to not answer.

Now, is this because you can't?

Is this because you accept that what you first stated was wrong? Because clearly it was.

The white horse - unable to respond to a reasoned debate with a lefty!

Shame on you & your double standards.
Hypocrite.

lemonjelly wrote: »

Now who is a fool?

From the Income Support regulations reg 21(3), JSA regulations (reg 85(4)), ESA regulations (reg 69(2)). housing benefit regulations (reg7(14)), & council tax benefit regulations (reg 8(5))


you count as a prisoner if you are

• detained in custody awaiting trial or sentence or following imprisonment
• on temporary release under specific provisions

In addition you do not satisfy the labour market conditions.

If you are classed as a prisoner you cannot claim attendance allowance, bereavement benefits, disability living allowance, carers allowance, employment support allowance, incapacity benefit, maternity allowance, reduced earnings allowance, retirement allowance, retirement pension or severe disablement allowance, or maternity/paternity pay (section 113(1)(b) social security contributory benefits act 1992, & regulation 2 Social Security (great britain) regulations.


There you are. The legislation applicable to the UK, with sources. Go & reference it.

Who really is a fool? The one who believes a tabloid paper stating prisoners get £2.50 a week & this is the welfare benefits system? Or the person quoting relevant legislation expressly prohibiting what you say?

I will await your apology, as clearly I have proved you wrong...

lemonjelly wrote: »

Hey, stop arguing no-one answers your questions.

You asserted that prisoners get benefits.

Here (above) is the DIRECT legislation which says they don't.

So, on my side of the arguement, I am giving you evidence on a number of pieces of legislation.

You have quoted 1 piece of bad journalism - & that was from the daily express at that.

So, do you still really believe prisoners get welfare benefits?

You gat any response to my knocking your arguement down? Or is it just insults from now on...

Conrad

The white horse - if state killing works, how come the US states with the highest rates of state execution also have the highest rates of crime?

Do you admire Saudi Arabia - they share much of your philosophy?

ninky_2

Conrad wrote: »

The white horse - if state killing works, how come the US states with the highest rates of state execution also have the highest rates of crime?

Do you admire Saudi Arabia - they share much of your philosophy?

i don't think white horse cares if the death penatly acts as a deterrent or not. it's eye for an eye mentality.

tomterm8

Another question is, even if you could be certain that the verdict was right, even if you know and are completely sure that there is no doubt that someone is guilty, a death sentence requires an executioner. In similar cases such as war where people kill others in a state sanctioned way, there is a lot of evidence of mental health problems. In the past, with state executions, many of the executioners also developed mental health problems. That was the reason for firing squads, to try to reduce the impact of killing someone.

Killing people, even if entirely ethically correct, has long term implications for the people we ask to implement it.

StevieJ

If as Mr Ed suggests that young kids understand the implications of what they do, maybe we should reduce the voting age to allow them to vote.

Conrad

ninky wrote: »

i don't think white horse cares if the death penatly acts as a deterrent or not. it's eye for an eye mentality.

In his world everything is simple > if you abuse / murder your'e well, yep just born evil, end of. It goes no deeper than that. In a way this manner of thinking is the lazy / easy route. It's more challenging to go deeper, but in his simple world that way lies the lefty. I'm right wing.

Minds me of people like Anne Coulthard, the American journo that says thing like 'just nuke em' when discussing Lebannon. Utterly simplistic, yet she doesn't realise this about herself, and to add to the irony she claims the moral high ground!.

ninky_2

StevieJ wrote: »

If as Mr Ed suggests that young kids understand the implications of what they do, maybe we should reduce the voting age to allow them to vote.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

lemonjelly

I've decided that hypocrite isn't the correct word for Mr Ed.

The correct word is.......

Coward

Conrad

lemonjelly wrote: »

I've decided that hypocrite isn't the correct word for Mr Ed.

The correct word is.......

Coward

I'm a little slow, who is 'Mr Ed'?:o