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Co-OP and the tale of age verification
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Not only losing a sale, but losing time in sorting it out, and reputation as a disgruntled ex-customer relays it across random forums and potentially losing even more customers...]
Well this has happend across the board for years now. If the retailers are suppose to lose so many sales wouldn't they have noticed by now? Losing one sale is a dam site less than the fines both the retailer and the staff members can get which is a maximum of £20,000. That would take around £440,000 in sales to claw that amount back because obviously the profit in supermarket retail is around 4 to 5% of sales. But then thats not including the loss of sales from bad publicity which would be many times more. Whats the cost of a member of staff putting stuff back £1 or £2?
Also if you read everything on forums such as this one you wouldn't have anywhere left to shop anyway!
Can you see how the maths works now. Losing one sale is nothing. Thats why they haven't noticed any loss and haven't changed anything.But then isn't it common sense to know what ID people might have!
If you accept any ID sooner or late some of it will be fake! You'll need to decide what you'll accept. The common ones are obvious. Random goverment ID can go on for ever, isn't common and could just be made up. I never saw any army ID, people don't tend to show it. If ID isn't common theres much more chance you won't know if it's real or not.0 -
Please tell me any times a member of shop staff has been fined for selling Chicken Tonight to someone who was under 18?It must be accepted as a principle that the rifle cannot replace the speed of the horse, the magnetism of the charge and the terror of cold steel.
The British Cavalry Manual 1907.0 -
Enfieldian wrote: »A Warrant Card IS a valid form of ID. This is not altered by the fact that the person it is shown to may or may not recognise it
Thats what it's about though. It's up to the retailer what they decide their staff need to check. Regardless of what other people consider valid doesn't matter. If they are hardly ever going to come across it theres much more chance they will come across a fake version and not know.0 -
Well this has happend across the board for years now. If the retailers are suppose to lose so many sales wouldn't they have noticed by now? Losing one sale is a dam site less than the fines both the retailer and the staff members can get which is a maximum of £20,000. That would take around £440,000 in sales to claw that amount back because obviously the profit in supermarket retail is around 4 to 5% of sales. But then thats not including the loss of sales from bad publicity which would be many times more. Whats the cost of a member of staff putting stuff back £1 or £2?
But there wouldn't have been any £20k fines, it was cooking sauce !!!!!!, not an age restricted product. There is NO alcohol content to it.Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0 -
ahah, although this is absolutly out of this world that people are being asked for ID to buy a pasta sauce now days, i think you should take it as a compliment!
You just have to expect it now - everyone is totally paranoid, although if it happened to me i would have called over the manager. The people working at tills are faced with some pretty hefty fines and a criminal record if they sell to underage,... its being drilled into them everyday - cant blame them for being scared about selling anything to anyone, i know that i dont have an extra £9,000-£10,000 to pay out if i sold to someone underage.0 -
UK2010, you are a fine example of the jobsworth, argumentitive, stubborn, rulebook quoting, politically correct automatons that cause these sort of problems due to an inability to demonstrate a modicum of common sense.
Are you a shop assistant or traffic warden by any chance?0 -
Enfieldian wrote: »UK2010, you are a fine example of the jobsworth, argumentitive, stubborn, rulebook quoting, politically correct automatons that cause these sort of problems due to an inability to demonstrate a modicum of common sense.
Are you a shop assistant or traffic warden by any chance?
Why? You don't actually know me. The whole lot of thats assumptions! You're a bit of a hypocrite really with that self righteous bombardment above! Just because I can empathize with what happend doesn't mean I wouldn't have served the op does it!
I recon theres a 99.99999% chance I would have served the op and recognised their age. I can just see the other side and know the reasons why that happend.0 -
So no people being fined for selling Chicken Tonight then, simply because it's not going to happen.c
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/monmouthshire/link2.htm
"[FONT=Verdana, Chicago]Confectionary containing alcohol, including liqueur chocolates"[/FONT]
The above link states "some examples" as in it's not exclusive! Confectionary containing alcohol will be extended to food.
Why would they not want to protect themselves when selling any product containing alcohol? It's being safe. You need to be proactive not reactive in business, surely it's like that in the army?
Odd, I spent a while in the army and now the TA and I never felt compelled to be proactive when it came to chicken related cooking sauces....It must be accepted as a principle that the rifle cannot replace the speed of the horse, the magnetism of the charge and the terror of cold steel.
The British Cavalry Manual 1907.0 -
I was buying Chicken Tonight, a cooking sauce. I was carrying ID that will allow me to:
Arrest people,
Carry firearms,
Go into high security government buildings,
Can be used instead of a passport,
Can be used to get on planes within the UK,
Can be used as ID for my bank,
Can be used as ID when stopped by the police,
Has more security features than a Citizen card,
Has more vetting than a Citizen card,
Yet not to buy a cooking sauce, that lets be honest, I shouldn't even need ID for anyway, there is also the fact I do not look 25, or 18, I look old, I have grey hairs....
Your ID may let you do all of those things but it isn't listed in the Licensing Act 2005 as an acceptable form of ID so you can use it for all those things listed but not to buy alcohol. If you have a problem with that then take it up with the government, try writing to your MP and ask them to put an amendment to the Act.
BTW what was your ID?If you find you are drinking too much give this number a call. 0845 769 75550 -
Enfieldian wrote: »A Warrant Card IS a valid form of ID. This is not altered by the fact that the person it is shown to may or may not recognise it.
Proof of age is a different matter, Met cards, for example, do not show the holder's date of birth.
Sorry to be pedantic, but you started it!
It might be a valid proof of ID to some but it isn't an acceptable proof of age for the sale of alcohol under the Licensing Act 2005.
Full passport, full driving license or an ID card with a PASS logo on it. That is the full list. As far as I know warrant cards do not have a PASS logo on it and are therefore not on the list. End of argument about ID.
If it is a police warrant card then I would ask for some retraining about what is classed as acceptable ID.
The argument about if you should have been asked for ID in the first place is different.If you find you are drinking too much give this number a call. 0845 769 75550
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