£813 for 42" High Definition Plasma, top brand company (albeit not in Plasmas!)

Commonup

Sorry, read a business/law textbook. A company acts in the best interests of its shareholders - in this case: F and S.

Why would they effectively compete with themselves? Read an advanced business/law textbook. Market moulding, different sectors, trialling different business models. There's more than one route to success and there's no rule against trying two ways (or more) at once...

HankMcSpank

Commonup wrote:

Just in case anyone still wants one....

http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10289891&pid=44

Thank god for Savastore (remember 3% back on Quidco if you order through them)...we can perpetuate the argument. :j :j

Commonup

Unfortunately Savastore don't do the 50" model which was what I wanted...

HankMcSpank

It seems the 50" model is a very different beast to the 42" anyway. (no HDMI, different resolution etc...the two people that have received them gave the least glowing reports over on AVForums)

Baz_2

Commonup wrote:

Sorry, read a business/law textbook. A company acts in the best interests of its shareholders - in this case: F and S.

Why would they effectively compete with themselves? Read an advanced business/law textbook. Market moulding, different sectors, trialling different business models. There's more than one route to success and there's no rule against trying two ways (or more) at once...

Im a qualified chartered accountant, I dont need to read any more business text books thanks.

A company can compete with itself but not with the same product in the same marketplace with a massive difference in price, and under the same brand name. Thats very bad management and doomed to fail.

One of those things has to change, the marketplace is that of plasma TV's, the branding is similar, so it must be the product that is different. i.e the quality. They could quite easily aim at the budget market and the top end market with the same product but not with such a big price difference.

MattWPBS

Baz wrote:

The problem is that the original poster is trying to talk people into getting this set and by doing so is posting information and hype about the product that isn't true. He is using the brand name to justify his point when there is no evidence to support that.

Fujitsu-siemans are an IT company, not a TV company, they dont have any history with making plasma TV's. The comapny has nothing to do with fujitsu and nothing to do with siemans, its a red herring as neither companys strong points should be used to weigh up the merits of this set.

Now whilst my fellow "geeks" are probably well aware of that, the majority on here are not, and because of that us geeks are trying to inform them that the OP is slightly exaggerating the merits of the TV.

IT may be good, it may be better than orion, but its not a panasonic or a pioneer. So please dont rush out and buy this thinking thats what your getting because you certainly are not. If you want a normal set and dont want to pay for the benefits of a top end plasma then this will fit the bill nicely, but dont expect it to perform like a top end plasma. Whats the problem with eveyone acknowledging that.

You also have to understand that whilst the OP is saying its a top end plasma, this set is probably the only set he has seen, so how can he compare it against any other plasma.

The comedy comes from the OP blatantly ignoring the points us "geeks" are making because he cant stand his new toy being criticised.

Ach, now you're making the opposite mistake to Hank, there is the common link between Fujitsu and Siemens, as the decades of experience of the two IT hardware arms had previously as well as the shared product line/development with the Fujitsu IT arms in Japan/Americas. It's disingenuous to say that Fujitsu, Siemens and Fujitsu-Siemens are the same company, but it's also disingenuous to say that there's no link between the joint venture and the parents. There are points from both companies which should be taken into account if you're considering FSC itself, it does have the heritage from both, and the similar ethics for design/reliability.

Baz, I'm honestly better placed to answer this question than you are. If you find it so hard to believe that a parent would let a joint venture move into the same product space as they are in, I dread to think what you'd make of movement of Siemens Business Services from a seperate company to part of Fujitsu Siemens Computers. FSC IT Product Services (as they're now known) will be operating in a very similar space to Fujitsu Services, and if you think there's absolutely no link, how do you think SBS ended up moving from Siemens to FSC?

Also, while Fujitsu may not be overly happy with FSC moving into the plasma market, do you think Siemens would be happy to not take the opportunity to increase the return from the joint venture? Please remember there're two parent companies involved, and only one of them already operates in this space.

sideysid

By looking at this thread I can see a lot of you need to do some research into plasmas so you actually understand how to get the best out of your chosen panel.

avforums is a very good site and I've been a member for some years. I have ordered one of these panels and am awaiting delivery tomorrow... You can see my comments so far in the avfourms thread posted earlier.

I can see why now, with so many ordering on these forums too, I have had trouble with my Nice PC order.

I would say to go through Savastore/Quidco once they get these back in stock.

Before posting questions about plasmas here, I would suggest doing your own research at avforums or PM me there, as some people here really don't know what they're talking about...

Baz_2

MattWPBS wrote:

Baz, I'm honestly better placed to answer this question than you are. If you find it so hard to believe that a parent would let a joint venture move into the same product space as they are in, I dread to think what you'd make of movement of Siemens Business Services from a seperate company to part of Fujitsu Siemens Computers. FSC IT Product Services (as they're now known) will be operating in a very similar space to Fujitsu Services, and if you think there's absolutely no link, how do you think SBS ended up moving from Siemens to FSC?

Are you saying that this set is a direct competitor for fujitsus own plasmas?

Baz_2

Lord_Chris wrote:

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you are such a !!!!!!

I have just reported that, i dont appreciate being called that.

Regardless of what you think, fujitsu would not risk their high mark up product by selling the same produce at a third of the price. They would at the very least brand it so that theres no link at all with there profitable plasma.

HankMcSpank

sideysid wrote:

By looking at this thread I can see a lot of you need to do some research into plasmas so you actually understand how to get the best out of your chosen panel.

avforums is a very good site and I've been a member for some years. I have ordered one of these panels and am awaiting delivery tomorrow... You can see my comments so far in the avfourms thread posted earlier.

I can see why now, with so many ordering on these forums too, I have had trouble with my Nice PC order.

Don't worry...even before I rolled the grenade into their ordering/logistics system by posting about this Plasma on here, I can assure you that my order was handled just as badly.

Website said 10-14 delivery (took 21-ish). website said someone would call within 7 days to confirm delivery date (noone called). Numerous phonecalls to Nice PCs customer service (freefone geezerline)...a load of old horlicks spouted off. Bloke at courier on minimum wage with no customer relations skills whatsoever (one grunt for yes, two for no) blah blah.....in short a mess.