Beware of new Windows 7 update

jmc160

Aiadi wrote: »

I apologise.

That's OK, we all make mistakes :cool:

cit_k

RobertoMoir wrote: »

No *RIGHT*. Vista SP2 fixes the problems with Vista. Pretty much anyway... I still don't like Vista with all the patches but its not outright 'broken' at that point. It's basically 'fit for purpose' - it's capable of doing the things they claimed it would do at the time of purchase.

There also comes a point where we're talking about a new product rather than 'fixing' the old one and you might want to argue that Microsoft chose the wrong point on the scale between W7 & Vista but the principle is perfectly sound.

As we were throwing around car analogies earlier, my ford focus is a refinement of and replacement for the ford escort. According to you, Ford should have recalled all the Escorts in the world and replaced them with Focuses free of charge. Or is computer software somehow magically different?

If you do thing that computer software is magically different then what about Photoshop? How many versions have been released by now? You have to pay for the newer versions of that if you have an old version, too. Shouldn't they offer previous customers an upgrade for life for free? Or are operating systems somehow magically different from applications?

So that Apple eh? They made me actually *pay* to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard. OK it was a reduced amount, but then so was the pricing for W7 at the time of release. How disgraceful of Apple though. Tch. Or are Apple somehow magically different from Microsoft?

Can we have an adult discussion about the matter now or shall I go on?

If windows was a car, it would have been recalled ages ago...

Can you imagine having to have your car fixed by the dealer every few days to ensure its 'safe' to drive?

Can you imagine your car breaking down on a regular basis, and it being acceptable?

Can you imagine your car, just getting slower as you use it?

ChiefGrasscutter

There are a number of options......broadly speaking:

Either we have the "retail software" sector where in general people/businesses are effectively being pushed into a continous pattern of upgrading - mostly at their cost: By this method old systems are rapidly made obselete and this is one of the reasons why the computing industry is now so far advanced from what it was with Windows 3.1 in the 1980's.
Yes, some of the programs have bugs in them, yes the new version sometimes fixes those bugs - and produces new ones but hey....that progress...it's a 'cheap' and fast moving industry.

This middle ground is the auto industry where major faults are subject to recalls and older models have to be supported with spares etc to keep them going. A wide variety of replacement parts and modifications from independent supplies are available and used. Annual inpections ensure safety.

The extreme ground is the aviation industry where every single spare part has to be certified as approved by the manufacturer, no independent parts are permitted -any fitted invalidate your insurance, no non approved/manufacturer certified maintenance permitted to be carried out, every single piece of paper generated has to be kept forever. The result, costs are huge, and innovation impossible as trying to get regulatory approval for a modification (such as a new non-original instrument) is a multi-year effort. So we get 20 year old aircraft flying around.

Take your pick!

snaffler

Only one person has mentioned this so far and I think people should if they wish explore the options of open source much more, less problematic than Windows Software and Open Source has become so user friendly and it is no longer just for geeks. M$ does seem to create more complaints than happiness if you read the various posts, take a plunge and try Open Source options if you mess around with it for about a month I am sure you will soon pick it up.

All the well known alternatives are out there so you will not miss anything.

Good user friendly operating systems (close to windows) now include:
Linux Mint
Ubuntu
Kubuntu

And open office is perfectly capable of interacting with MS office packages

[Deleted User]

cit_k wrote: »

If windows was a car, it would have been recalled ages ago...

Can you imagine having to have your car fixed by the dealer every few days to ensure its 'safe' to drive?

Can you imagine your car breaking down on a regular basis, and it being acceptable?

Can you imagine your car, just getting slower as you use it?

What if the driver never checked the oil, put diesel into the petrol tank, didn't maintain the tyres at the correct pressure, didn't replace tyres or brake pads when worn out, didn't clean the car, would you still be holding the manufacturer responsible?

The problem with computers and drivers is the exact same thing, the person. It doesn't take much knowledge in order to run a well-maintained system, but people expect to have everything spoon fed to them.

With software you either give the user the freedom to use them exactly how they want or you provide an environment that's so restrictive they cannot do anything other than what you permit. Make your choice, but understand that both have consequences with the former requiring a little due care and attention and a degree of personal responsibility.

Aiadi

RobertoMoir wrote: »

No *RIGHT*. Vista SP2 fixes the problems with Vista. Pretty much anyway... I still don't like Vista with all the patches but its not outright 'broken' at that point. It's basically 'fit for purpose' - it's capable of doing the things they claimed it would do at the time of purchase.

There also comes a point where we're talking about a new product rather than 'fixing' the old one and you might want to argue that Microsoft chose the wrong point on the scale between W7 & Vista but the principle is perfectly sound.

If you really believe that Vista was not 'broken' and that W7 was actually a 'New' product rather than a fix for Vista's problems or what Vista should have been then no one will be able to change your mind.

GetRealBabe

Hi

Isn't Windows 7 what Vista should have been?

GRB

[Deleted User]

Aiadi wrote: »

If you really believe that Vista was not 'broken' and that W7 was actually a 'New' product rather than a fix for Vista's problems or what Vista should have been then no one will be able to change your mind.

You could say that every operating system that has ever been released is what the previous version should have been. The actual problems that Vista had were fixed with the service packs, everything else was tremendously blown out of all proportions by people who knew very little about what they were talking about.

7 was never intended to be a radical change in the same way Vista was to XP. The end product, while very good, is what happens when you start off with a solid foundation and have the time to engineer much better and efficient ways of doing things.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Vista was engineered as ' cloudware ', the cloud based idea was kicked into the long grass of Redmond [ for the time being ] and the resulting code was re-engineered as a standard O/S.

Unless they cut the grass in that area of California Vista, will remain what it is, an operating system not of it's time, considerably misunderstood, carrying the baggage of a forever rehearsal for a show that never happens.

MS will be almost certainly be lost to Google as far as cloud computing goes.

And yes Win7 is what Vista would have been without the cloud.

RobertoMoir

Aiadi wrote: »

If you really believe that Vista was not 'broken' and that W7 was actually a 'New' product rather than a fix for Vista's problems or what Vista should have been then no one will be able to change your mind.

Nice strawman you've got there. Been working at it for long?

As it happens I used to work quite closely with Microsoft on a part time consultancy basis and my opinion of Vista got me fired. I was involved in internal betas for the product and filed several bugs on a lot of the issues people went on to complain about, had them closed as "by design" and re-opened them again to say "Well the designer is an idiot then, I still want this looked at, ideally by someone who doesn't use crayons as their primary designing tool".

I'm not here to defend Vista or claim it was a good operating system. Certainly not.

Anyway, as I was saying earlier, do you want to talk sensibly about the subject or do you want to throw around one liners you've heard on slashdot some more.