Why are the Bulls here buying this 0.1% recovery

Cleaver

abaxas wrote: »

Then if you dont care, why post so many arguements attempting to backup your own belief in the figures?

You do care.... just to cant handle the fact you might actually be wrong.

I'm happy to be proven wrong here, give me the figures and I'll stand down.

This debate came about because you said that the Nationwide "lied" with their figures. I have no real clue, or that much interest, as to whether their figures are accurate down to the exact decimal each month but they look kinda right to me. I fail to see how many different organisations could come up with similar patterns and trends if it were all flawed.

With regard to being wrong, I'm pretty much wrong on an hourly basis and always happy to admit it. I think any armchair psychologist reading this would put forward the theory that my involvement in this discussion is based on an interest in people who have irrational fears and think that "all government stats are lies", rather than to somehow defend the Nationwide house price index. I couldn't really give a flying f*ck about house price indexes, I'm more interested in your rather paranoid views.

abaxas

Cleaver wrote: »

Actually, just be serious for a second this is the attitute of the conspiracy theory nut that most p*sses me off. The notion that just because I have the opinion that an organisation are doing what they say they are doing I am somehow an idiot who can't make my own decisions.

I'm the 'the Nationwide do a survey each month which looks at house price data via a consistant methodology then releases it to the public' camp.

We shall agree to differ.

I'm in the 'data is useless as it isnt qualified' camp, but will reserve the right to change to any other view when I understand the data.

Btw, since when did people who want the truth be conspiricy theorist? I dont beleive there is a conspiricy, mearly a gaping hole of credibility.

The only person mentioning conspiracy is you.

EDIT : it appears science if now the realm of the paranoid. I'm off to burn a few witches!

Cleaver

Harry_Powell wrote: »

How about this:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=619975&highlight=

It is rather odd to start a specific thread regarding a house price changes based on figures that you believe are lies.

System

Can someone recap to me what was wrong with the published methodology?

abaxas

Cleaver wrote: »

It is rather odd to start a specific thread regarding a house price changes based on figures that you believe are lies.

05-12-2007, 8:21 AM

Is someone not allowed to change their views and learn?

That is life, you more forward, you learn new things, you improve.

Well that is my life, the ongoing quest for knowledge and enlightenment!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Cleaver wrote: »

It is rather odd to start a specific thread regarding a house price changes based on figures that you believe are lies.

I used the search tool.

One post claiming the indices were wrong in Feb 2007, when prices were rising.

Zero posts claiming the indices were wrong, or lying, for the entire 18 month duration of falling prices. In fact, a thread specifically started by him to promote the index showing falling prices.

And then lots of posts claiming the indices are lying now that they show rising prices again.

Case closed.

abaxas

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Can someone recap to me what was wrong with the published methodology?

My point is that the data is crap as they refuse to offer the raw data for scrutiny.

Hence there is no check on the data.

Cleaver

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Can someone recap to me what was wrong with the published methodology?

I'm not sure we got past abaxas saying that they aren't scrutinised and that they don't publish their raw data. I think.

The whole debate started when he said that all government, Halifax, Nationwide and Land Registry figures are "lies". He seemed to be using the word "lie" to mean "in my opinion not accurate", which is a bit misleading.

Oh, and we've established that I can't handle the truth. And if I can't handle the truth of a building society property report then life is probably going to bring some real shocks for me.

abaxas

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I used the search tool.

One post claiming the indices were wrong in Feb 2007, when prices were rising.

Zero posts claiming the indices were wrong, or lying, for the entire 18 month duration of falling prices. In fact, a thread specifically started by him to promote the index showing falling prices.

And then lots of posts claiming the indices are lying now that they show rising prices again.

Case closed.

LOL

I used the search tool and found no posts before you started on this forum. Therefor you cannot have had any views before then, or even existed :P

abaxas

Cleaver wrote: »

I'm not sure we got past abaxas saying that they aren't scrutinised and that they don't publish their raw data. I think.

The whole debate started when he said that all government, Halifax, Nationwide and Land Registry figures are "lies". He seemed to be using the word "lie" to mean "in my opinion not accurate", which is a bit misleading.

Oh, and we've established that I can't handle the truth. And if I can't handle the truth of a building society property report then life is probably going to bring some real shocks for me.

Then why are we still having tthis discussion?

The answer is to the thread is.....

I would like to know how the data works, you dont.

Thread over?

I think we might have the answer.