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Why are the Bulls here buying this 0.1% recovery

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  • chucky
    chucky Posts: 15,170 Forumite
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    Cleaver wrote: »
    As Harry says though, why do you care that much? The figures give a general impression of whether stuff is going down, going up or staying the same. If one month was 0.3% up when in actual fact a more in-depth methodology would have found 0.4% does it really matter? LR, Nationwide, Halifax - they all pretty much say the same thing, so it looks like there are all just about getting the jist of things pretty accurate.
    that is correct - all of the indexes have the same trend lines

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  • abaxas
    abaxas Posts: 4,141 Forumite
    Update..

    Hamish's request is simply not possible as MSE only allowed me to go back 300 posts in time. Last post 15-12-2009, 6:55 PM.

    Too young.
  • Cleaver
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    abaxas wrote: »
    So you are happy to be lied to? Maybe that is the whole point of this? Some people want the data, other people want to be kept happy, even if it involed lies.

    You're right actually abaxas. I can't handle the truth. I thought I could, but I just can't. I'm just one man. And a simple man at that. I thought I was brave enough to look in to the dark, murky world of a building society's monthly property figures and, well, it turns out I was wrong. Please don't ruin my life. I just want to live a happy existance and if I found out that the statistics department of a Swindon-based building society had a flawed methodology in collating property price information I don't think I could carry on. My whole view of the world would be pushed completely off balance and I don't know if I could trust anything or anyone again. Even my own family.
  • Cleaver
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    chucky wrote: »
    that is correct - all of the indexes have the same trend lines

    OH MY GOD, THEY'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!! GOD HELP US ALL!! THE LIES RUN DEEPER THAN I FIRST THOUGHT!! THERE IS NO SPOON!!

    Etc. etc.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    edited 2 February 2010 at 4:58PM
    abaxas wrote: »
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    I simply dont have the time.

    Post search tool. Easy enough to use. Takes less time than your posts in this thread so far.

    Surely there must be a single post of yours where you questioned the data and methodology of at least one of the indices in the year or more that they all showed prices were falling off a cliff?

    I mean, it's clearly such a big obsession with you that they are lying as you post about it endlessly. You don't believe a word they say when they all show prices rising. So you must also have not believed them when they were falling.

    So link us to one of your posts where you laid out clearly that falling prices weren't happening, because the indices were lying.

    Edit: The post search tool should check them all, not just the recent ones.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Harry_Powell
    Harry_Powell Posts: 2,089 Forumite
    abaxas wrote: »
    Update..

    Hamish's request is simply not possible as MSE only allowed me to go back 300 posts in time. Last post 15-12-2009, 6:55 PM.

    Too young.

    How about this:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=619975&highlight=
    "I can hear you whisperin', children, so I know you're down there. I can feel myself gettin' awful mad. I'm out of patience, children. I'm coming to find you now." - Harry Powell, Night of the Hunter, 1955.
  • abaxas
    abaxas Posts: 4,141 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    You're right actually abaxas. I can't handle the truth. I thought I could, but I just can't. I'm just one man. And a simple man at that. I thought I was brave enough to look in to the dark, murky world of a building society's monthly property figures and, well, it turns out I was wrong. Please don't ruin my life. I just want to live a happy existance and if I found out that the statistics department of a Swindon-based building society had a flawed methodology in collating property price information I don't think I could carry on. My whole view of the world would be pushed completely off balance and I don't know if I could trust anything or anyone again. Even my own family.

    Then if you dont care, why post so many arguements attempting to backup your own belief in the figures?

    You do care.... just to cant handle the fact you might actually be wrong.

    I'm happy to be proven wrong here, give me the figures and I'll stand down.
  • Really2
    Really2 Posts: 12,397 Forumite
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    Harry_Powell wrote: »
    How about this:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=619975&highlight=

    I think I might say the lottery is fixed until I win. :)
  • Cleaver
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    abaxas wrote: »
    I'm in the truth camp... I'll assume you prefer not to know the truth.

    Actually, just be serious for a second this is the attitute of the conspiracy theory nut that most p*sses me off. The notion that just because I have the opinion that an organisation are doing what they say they are doing I am somehow an idiot who can't make my own decisions.

    I'm the 'the Nationwide do a survey each month which looks at house price data via a consistant methodology then releases it to the public' camp.
  • System
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    This thread has made me cringe a bit, all new levels of pompous and obtuse.
    This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
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