Property being sold for development - impact on family member

ninky_2

GotToChange wrote: »

Thanks for asking RAS; I have deliberately treid to avoid mentioning how much my and my horse's fate are bound up in this. He is very very old and I doubt he will still be around come the end of the summer - I have tried very hard to not have him/his "future" be affected by farm plans but I guess that the sale of it will result in euthenasia for him.

This is not why i am pushing W to get something definitive sorted out; that is more to do with my not wanting to see him walked all over (again).

not a very responsible animal owner. can't you find somewhere else for him to stay? or are you relying on free housing for your horse?

GotToChange

ninky wrote: »

not a very responsible animal owner. can't you find somewhere else for him to stay? or are you relying on free housing for your horse?

You don't know the full story (although it is already on this forum); please make neither assumption or judgement unless you do - although of course, your opinion is your perogative.

RAS

Hi

Can I suggest that you come over to the DFW forum and explore then options re your future there? You could work out what the implications are if you end up leaving the "farm" with or without W? at least that would give you a plan B.

We are known as "huggies" by some of the other forums but we are not exactly soft in the head.

GotToChange

RAS wrote: »

Hi

Can I suggest that you come over to the DFW forum and explore then options re your future there? You could work out what the implications are if you end up leaving the "farm" with or without W? at least that would give you a plan B.

We are known as "huggies" by some of the other forums but we are not exactly soft in the head.

I have revealed too much about myself before and am a bit wary now.

The fact is that the horse is 27 years old and I retired him four years ago; the "loss" of the farm/W's support would be the catalyst but not the true cause. A lot of people would have had him put to sleep long ago (esp. once he has passed his "usefulness") this "not very responsible animal owner" has nothing to apologise for.

RAS

GotToChange wrote: »

I have revealed too much about myself before and am a bit wary now.

Use a new username and stick to the finances.

I am planning to move and this is what it costs to rent, is this a reasonable SOA?????

bitsandpieces

How much did W pay? I dread to think what rent might be on a £1m property - but it would likely be a lot more than repayments on a £100k mortgage. Couldn't the father argue that W had paid money in lieu of rent/board?

Not saying that this will be a fair outcome - and well worth W taking advice - but not sure this is as clear-cut as you might think. It may be worth W negotiating with the father to see if - for example - he will at least chip in for deposit and rent/initial mortgage while W is starting up independently. Also W could save up as much as possible - for deposit etc. - while waiting until he needs to move (can he live rent free till the land is sold?)

GotToChange

It is not anticipated that there will be a fair outcome. It could be argued that W's contribution was in lieu of rent etc etc but the key thing that matters is that he has missed the boat (through yes, his own good nature) in terms of getting a property of his own (as his brother has indeed done); his interest in the horses has been exploited to the max and what is happening now is ramping that exploitation up even further; his living there rent (but not responsibility) free for the next few months does not make any of what has happened better or fair.

I know that it won't be clear-cut; but it should be. It's quite simple - there will be a sum of money available from the sale - a share should be given to W. That's it. It is only complicated by the fact that his Father is one mean old man - and proof positive of this is the fact that he is living with his not yet divorced girlfriend in the house of a man whose life they are - like vultures - waiting to end so they can divvy up the spoils.

This is not the case with W and the farm; it is only me who has mentioned wills and inheritance. I don't think he should have to - and in this case there is no NEED to - wait for his Father to die.



(The million pound valuation is a few years ago and was for the whole farm (the house is just a regular 3 bed detached with granny flat) including farm land with the agricultural tie lifted. He has not somehow escaped paying £1000s of pounds per month rent by living there...)

Cissi

GotToChange wrote: »

This is not the case with W and the farm; it is only me who has mentioned wills and inheritance. I don't think he should have to - and in this case there is no NEED to - wait for his Father to die.

To be honest, as has been said, legally W probably isn't entitled to anything, unless he has some paperwork proving his contributions to the finances of the farm. And even though you make it clear that W isn't in any way impatiently waiting for his inheritance, it sounds like you assume that he will eventually get it. I think you both may need to realise that he may NEVER see very much money from his father (if any at all). As you've said yourself, the father is likely to squander most of what there is, and there is the unknown factor of the new wife-to-be.

I really think you both need to start planning for the future regardless of what happens. It isn't fair but that won't change anything.

As for the comment labelling you an irresponsible animal owner, that was uncalled for and unfair.

RAS

Hi

You need to separate out the relationship stuff - which really would be more appropriate on the family and relationships forum and the animal stuff and the housing stuff in your head and in your heart.

As far as W's father is concerned he has made a perfectly acceptable offer - W can move in with him and his new bit of stuff. Presumably unless her not quite ex get an absolute divorce or sorts out his will, she will be inheriting.

As long as he has livestock, W is going to find that the "easiest" option to solve the problem of grazing and housing the livestock. You know, but he may not, that this also places him even further in the thrall of dad and the bit of stuff. If he has to move jobs, even more so.

However he may also feel that keeping in with dad is necessary if he is to have a chance of ingheriting anything.

The other option is to find grazing for them and housing for himself close to his work and to each other. Even if he does not actualy rent anywhere immediaitely, finding what is available with make it easier if he decides to do this later. Whether his plans include you or not.

I realsie form you posts that if dad got such a good response to livery ads last year, there is probably not a lot available and it may not be cheap, but at least he knwos what the market is and can work out his options.

Forget about any chance of fairness in your terms; you are wasting your time and energy when you really need to be sorting out what you are going to do at the end of the summer.

BitterAndTwisted

He's not old at only 35 and he's not completely penniless. There is still plenty of time to make a fresh start and renting isn't always the hell it's sometimes portrayed. In a lot of ways it's a whole lot of freedom.

The very first thing that needs to be settled is the what will happen to the horses. From what I know from your previous posts about that particular issue this appears to me to be the hardest part. Once that's settled he can just walk, free as a bird.