MSE Parents Club Part 10

Tigsteroonie

Interesting article on the BBC website: Safety of "souvenir" ultrasound baby scans in question

I wonder what the findings will be. Andrew had many more scans than the usual two, because they were monitoring his growth and my bloodflow fortnightly, and then every other day for the week before birth. Not only that, but he then had lengthy ultrasound scans on his head after the birth (every week) so they could monitor a cranial bleed.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

SusanC_2

jillie1974 wrote: »

just caught up....who says we do all the talking??? 5 pages since i posted this morning

It was me doing updates on my HG researching. (Or literature reviewing I suppose - I wasn't doing real research.)

weezl74 wrote: »

susan I'm really glad the B6 hypothesis seems to be making sense and it's giving you hope for baby 2 Some of the research I did on small gaps between babies says the maternal depletion of nutrients is also linked to how long the woman breastfed for (logically this makes sense, your body will divert nutrients into breastmilk even at the expense of your own cell recovery.

So I'm wondering if a bit of a stint after Alice stops feeding (if that's what she's gently doing now...) of super vitamin and mineraling your diet in preparation might be a good idea, especially if you were beset by a deficiency of B6 last time....

I think I'm definitely going to ask for an FBC including ferritin and the B vitamins so the point about the effect of extended breastfeeding on maternal nutrient stores should be useful.

My hypothesis seems to be making even more sense:
Vitamin B6 deficiency has been linked with HG and is also linked with hyperthyroidism and liver function both of which have possible links with HG. (Vitamin B6 deficiency, transient hyperthyroidism and various liver function problems are also known to be assosciated with pregnancy.)

Vitamin B6 deficiency and hyperthyroidism are linked with glucose regulation problems (another known pregnancy related problem) which is also a symptom I had.

Vitamin B 6 deficiency and liver function problems are both associated with anaemia which again is a common problem in pregnancy and a symptom I had.

Also because it is something you don't store and need to consume on a regular basis, once you are being sick and not taking in enough nutrients, the problem would be exacerbated.

Now I need to go away and find out what foods are highest in the B vitamins. (And find some liquid B vitamin supplements.)

searching_me

:mad: :mad: for some reason my lappys deleted one of my spreadsheets so im gonna have to do it all over again .. i'll do it tomorrow cba now x

jillie1974

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Interesting article on the BBC website: Safety of "souvenir" ultrasound baby scans in question

I wonder what the findings will be. Andrew had many more scans than the usual two, because they were monitoring his growth and my bloodflow fortnightly, and then every other day for the week before birth. Not only that, but he then had lengthy ultrasound scans on his head after the birth (every week) so they could monitor a cranial bleed.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

My understanding of the article would be that they are concerend with the 'unnecessary scans' the ones where you pay £80+ to have a 3D/4D photos, dvd etc...
ones where there is a clearly a medical need for them would prob outway any negative impacts. we had extra scans to make sure that K was growing correctly and i never for one moment thought that it would pose any extra risk to him.

imo...scans are to there to ensure any probs- like you had with Andrew- can be found and the appropiate action taken. NOT to have loads of photos/dvd of a baby that i can show all my friends/family etc. of what baby will look like.

just another thing to have us poor mummies and mummies-to-be worry about. (and dads as well)

SusanC_2

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Interesting article on the BBC website: Safety of "souvenir" ultrasound baby scans in question

I wonder what the findings will be. Andrew had many more scans than the usual two, because they were monitoring his growth and my bloodflow fortnightly, and then every other day for the week before birth. Not only that, but he then had lengthy ultrasound scans on his head after the birth (every week) so they could monitor a cranial bleed.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I believe they did research on mice (or maybe rats) and found that doing a very large amount of ultrasound scanning late in (full term) pregnancy had an affect on brain development. This is one reason why I don't intend to have the extra scans next time. However in your case, clearly the benefits of the ultrasounds outweighed any risks.

I noticed they mention left handedness but I believe that is common in preemies anyway?

Tigsteroonie

I gathered that Jillie, but then wondered what the difference is between extra prolonged scans for the sake of a dvd, and extra prolonged scans to monitor growth etc? Surely the potential for damage - if any, I hasten to add - is the same?

I take your point about the benefits outweighing the potential harm. I just thought I'd mention it as an interesting article, something that perhaps parents hadn't thought about in their eagerness to see more images of their growing baby.

Haven't yet sussed out, Susan, whether Andrew is left-handed but Marley sure is! Andrew seems to prefer to suck on his right hand to his left, if that's any indication. I sucked my left thumb, and I'm right-handed.

SugarSpun

jillie1974 wrote: »

dont suppose you'll be over this way with going to the bahamas (i'm not jealous btw :mad:) for a while??? we could organise a special meet.

No idea, but I'm planning to surprise OH with something he wanted for his birthday (and a Valentines and anniversary gift) which may well entail a stay in Chester, so Manchester could be an extra stop on our way

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

Interesting article on the BBC website: Safety of "souvenir" ultrasound baby scans in question

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

I gathered that Jillie, but then wondered what the difference is between extra prolonged scans for the sake of a dvd, and extra prolonged scans to monitor growth etc? Surely the potential for damage - if any, I hasten to add - is the same?

The study didn't find any evidence of harm to babies, or any evidence that the increase in left-handedness in boys is ultrasound-related. At best they can claim that it's a correlated happening but that's a long way from causation.

The problem seems to be that the unnecessary scans spend longer than routine scans on the baby's head area to try and get a good face shot. I don't imagine your scanners were overly concerned with making sure you got a good set of pictures while checking the health of your baby IYSWIM so I wouldn't worry about it - also German OB/GYNs routinely do ultrasound every month up to every two weeks in late pregnancy and no ill effects have been recorded.

jillie1974

Tigsteroonie wrote: »

I gathered that Jillie, but then wondered what the difference is between extra prolonged scans for the sake of a dvd, and extra prolonged scans to monitor growth etc? Surely the potential for damage - if any, I hasten to add - is the same?

I take your point about the benefits outweighing the potential harm. I just thought I'd mention it as an interesting article, something that perhaps parents hadn't thought about in their eagerness to see more images of their growing baby.

Haven't yet sussed out, Susan, whether Andrew is left-handed but Marley sure is! Andrew seems to prefer to suck on his right hand to his left, if that's any indication. I sucked my left thumb, and I'm right-handed.

i dont know about your scans tigs, but the ones i had were about 5-10 mins at most. the ones where you have dvd/photos done takes about 45mins. the prolonged bit is the focus on the face to have a 'nice picture'...

definitely an interesting article.

JAM1376

Can I just jump in and share one of the pics we picked up this afternoon?



Hope it's not too big! C very tired and whiney after today so must go and sort her out.

Hugs xxx

redmel1621

Glad everyone, mums and babies, had a lovely time today:)

modem on it's way apparantly and estimated activation date for broadband is Monday, I can't wait.....although I am getting better at using the phone now;)

dh has gone out to his mates house... Don't blame him really it's like a flaming mad house here atm!! The older two kkeep bickering today...Grrrr. Kai is screaming his head off in his cot. He usually goes to sleep no problem, tbh he's been quite clingy today and a bit whiney, I wonder if he actually going to get more teeth?

Caz - missed you before.... I hope you and you're lot are ok, glad to hear your ex is getting the message and finding somewhere to go.

Mel x