I'm I being conned by tradesman ?

nottslass_2

pendulum wrote: »

I think being conned is a bit over the top, at the end of the day you know what's happened, he estimated labour costs and material costs before the job, the material costs came to more and he's just asked you to pay rather than have to bear the cost out of his labour charge, that's all. He's entitled to ask. No conning here.

We supplied the materials.

nottslass_2

busiscoming2 wrote: »

Tiler should have come and looked at the area to be tiled and then he would have got his original price correct. His mistake, thats tough - don't pay him anymore.

He did come and look at the area to be tiled !!!

OH just got back from work & has said that he even got his tape measure out - he made it 17.9 sqm opposed to OH 17 sqm !!!

Plasterer

nottslass wrote: »

He did come and look at the area to be tiled !!!

OH just got back from work & has said that he even got his tape measure out - he made it 17.9 sqm opposed to OH 17 sqm !!!

Text him back then and tell him your findings. He shouldn't quible over 0.9 of a metre. In your text tell him you will pay him the £18 for 0.9 metre. He will feel ashamed of himelf and tell you not to worry. Well he should anyway!!!!!

shegar

mealticket wrote: »

you do have to add a percentage for cutting...

!!!!!! !!!:eek:

arfurrrr

did he give you the price with the view to finishing that day , but had to come back because you ran out of tiles ?

if i gave a price to fit 5 radiators at a price on a set day and when i get there , theres only 4 and the 5th would be there later and i had to wait around or come back the following day , then that would be extra .

paddy's_mum

Did he do a competent job? Are you pleased with the finished result? Would you have used him again if this disagreement hadn't cropped up?

If yes, pay him the extra and chalk it up to experience for all of you.

Who needs the hassle while heavily pregnant and do you want to be worrying about a bevvied tiler letting your tyres down one dark night?!

Shop him to HMRC is you feel sufficiently aggrieved but to my mind, £40 and both parties keeping their dignity and good reputation is worth more than simply money.

27col

Just because he wanted cash does not prove that he is fiddling the tax man. He probably is, but it is not up to you to decide. Anyway, if he knows you are going to shop him, he would be a fool not to declare the money. He saw the job before he started, so he has no excuse in saying that the area quoted for was wrong. He could see exactly what the area was, as soon as he started the job.

keystone

paddy's_mum wrote: »

Did he do a competent job? Are you pleased with the finished result? Would you have used him again if this disagreement hadn't cropped up?

Agree with the questions entirely. How about a couple of pics whilst you are at it - window area and WHB would be particularly useful.

If yes, pay him the extra and chalk it up to experience for all of you.

Actually I might just have to take a bit of an issue with that. If the tiler took the OHs measurements as 17m2 and quoted for 17m2 which it sounds as though he did at £ 350 then he should know that you need more than 17m2 worth of tiles. Depending on the size of the individual tile you need to add betwen 10% and 15% to your overall measured area to allow for wastage/cuts then round up. (shegar please take note). So for a measured area of 17m2 and assume (say) 15 x 15 tiles then it would turn out to be 19m2 and that is what the client should have bought and what the tiler SHOULD have quoted for fitting. Now if I made that sort of error in communication with my client then I'd take it on the chin and say thank you very much for the £ 350. Did the tiler include addy and grout in the £ 350 - I would have expected him to do so. If he didn't and made you buy it then I'd suggest that an extra is taking the mickey a bit. If he did I'd offer him 50% so that you can both learn from the experience.

Who needs the hassle while heavily pregnant

:T:T

and do you want to be worrying about a bevvied tiler letting your tyres down one dark night?!

Mmmm. Whoever suggested that he would?

both parties keeping their dignity and good reputation is worth more than simply money.

100%

Cheers

keystone

Gloomy_Past_Bright_Future wrote: »

And tell him if you did pay him cash that if insists on persuing for the extra £40 you will insist on telling HMRC about his cash transactions!

Plasterer wrote: »

Use this if he gets a bit rsee on the phone to OH :T:T:T:T:T

paddy's_mum wrote: »

Shop him to HMRC is you feel sufficiently aggrieved ....

27col wrote: »

Just because he wanted cash does not prove that he is fiddling the tax man. He probably is, but it is not up to you to decide.

Did he give you an invoice for this work? If he did it will be going through his books anyway and so an action of "shopping" him to HMRC could well rebound on the head of the shopper! If you didn't get an invoice then I would suggest that £ 350 is perfectly OK thank you for the work that he did. But 27col is correct no invoice doesn't mean he is fiddling the taxman with a cash deal and its not your decision.

Might it be that he quoted a higher price and the client then said "Oh bit steep what will you do it for for cash?" We don't know so any advice that the OP go running to HMRC would be very, very badly judged IMHO.

I take a lot of cash in my business. The customer ALWAYS gets an invoice before payment and a receipted one after he has paid. I'm comfortable with the bank not sitting on my hard earned dosh whilst they "clear" the cheque and the taxman (albeit grudgingly I have to admit) gets his cut too!

Cheers

buglawton

Finding a tradesman who turns up on time and completes a good job is a nightmare in most parts of UK. OPs price and service were at least not a rip off. Tradesman can be quite absent minded about quotes and details, paperwork not being their strong suite. Depending on mood I'd be inclined to pay the £40, after all you may need him (or his mate) again sometime.